Labour people, its time to dump Corbyn

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

If businesses have to pay migrants more, they'll want less of them. If they want less of them, less will come.

Good that you are slowly coming to realise we don't need a continual flood of cheap labour.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

Good that you are slowly coming to realise we don't need a continual flood of cheap labour.

I never said we did. We do need a steady source of labour though (cheap or otherwise), in order to pay for our elderly.

Moby

=TrickyTree83;71900761]I was picking up on the point you made about tax avoidance only.

If we were able to stop people coming here before they had a job, it would significantly reduce the amount of cash in hand work HMRC would have to deal with in future would it not? Therefore reducing the workload on HMRC, meaning less government expenditure on HMRC.

That's a big 'If'!....but it's possible....give you that but so what....would it really reduce the 'cash in hand' work? people may have a job when they arrive and then go awol!

We can still have access to the single market without capitulating to the freedom of movement demands.

If Teresa Mayhem pulls this off.....I'll buy Clapton a drink:beer:

But we digress, do you agree than being in complete control of the border would reduce the amount of people coming in to work cash in hand and therefore avoid taxation? If not, why?

[/QUOTE]Ideally yes.......... but effective border control has to be paid for. I was making the point how difficult this will be in reality.
Shoot me down but I'm for Identity Cards....I know it's very illiberal of me.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

My post was whether paying immigrants higher wages would lead to fewer coming, as Mr Corbyn seemed to be implying.
As hundreds of my posts thave made clear, I am all for higher productivity that led to higher wages: a good reason to stop the flood of immigrant cheap labour.

My post was saying that Corbyn's view is that stopping cheap labour and exploitation will hopefully reduce immigration. I don't know if it will or not but I thought ....fair enough.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

My post was saying that Corbyn's view is that stopping cheap labour and exploitation will hopefully reduce immigration. I don't know if it will or not but I thought ....fair enough.

It wont, the rules would be so easy to circumvent and you would get a massive rise of self employed contractors popping up

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

If Teresa Mayhem pulls this off.....I'll buy Clapton a drink:beer:

that's very sporting of you : I only drink magnums of the very best vintage Champagne.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

That's a big 'If'!....but it's possible....give you that but so what....would it really reduce the 'cash in hand' work? people may have a job when they arrive and then go awol!

If Teresa Mayhem pulls this off.....I'll buy Clapton a drink:beer:

Ideally yes.......... but effective border control has to be paid for. I was making the point how difficult this will be in reality.
Shoot me down but I'm for Identity Cards....I know it's very illiberal of me.

They could well go awol after they get a job and migrate here, absolutely possible. But the barrier of needing to have a job prior to being allowed entry to settle would reduce the numbers compared to no barrier at all.

They have identity cards for people from outside the EEA at the moment, my wife has one. Biometric residence permits, she cannot leave the country without it or it will be a right pain in the back side to get back in.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

My post was saying that Corbyn's view is that stopping cheap labour and exploitation will hopefully reduce immigration. I don't know if it will or not but I thought ....fair enough.

Corbyn wants to stop exploitation of foreign workers : I totally agree with him that the laws against such exploitation, should be enforced.
My point was that I don't see how paying immigrants higher wages and stopping their exploitation, will lead to fewer coming.

One could perhaps, surmise that higher wages will reduce the supply of jobs : I would tend to agree with that but I would be surprised if Corbyn thinks that higher wages lead to job losses.

Of course, fewer jobs doesn't necessarially equate to fewer immigrants but simply to more competition for jobs and lower (legal) wages.

mrginge

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would be surprised if Corbyn thinks that higher wages lead to job losses.

The question of what Corbyn actually thinks is one of the great enigmas in the world.

Perhaps one day we'll get a bit more than 'Hey everyone, let's help poor people'. Although I doubt it.

Sapphire

CLAPTON wrote: »

Corbyn wants to stop exploitation of foreign workers : I totally agree with him that the laws against such exploitation, should be enforced.
My point was that I don't see how paying immigrants higher wages and stopping their exploitation, will lead to fewer coming.

What about exploitation of British taxpayers, who have been working and paying for decades? I was talking to a very nice Pole today, in Polish since I speak the lingo, and he said he had female Polish friends in Britain who say, 'Why work when I can get benefits that pay me more?'. As a matter of interest, he himself said that the benefits system in Britain should change to avoid such abuses (though he has been here for about 12 years, and has always worked). The situation in Poland (according to him) is bad, with many places emptied of people and the economy not doing well at all (the poverty there is noticeable when you go there, apart from perhaps in Warsaw and Krakow). The same is the case in a lot of mainland Europe's countries that have failing economies and increasingly impoverished populations, courtesy of the EU in several ways.

A lot of Poles do work here – however, there are people from other countries who exploit our system in bigger numbers than the above-mentioned Poles. Taxpayers are being ripped off, and the wrong people are being 'blamed' for lack of money for essential services.

I'm also in favour of controls on migration, and all having identity cards…