Labour people, its time to dump Corbyn

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

The left love to remind us migrants apparently do all the low paid work 'we wont do', and yet those income levels pay no or little tax....


As I say majority of migrant Tenant enquiries the letting agents I know get are on HB, no matter where in the country


I get enquires for business finance every day from self employed migrants that cannot easily access terms as they pay little or no tax, many more or less do not exist - all people in my line of work know this market - it's endemic. Very few amongst these people would ever get engaged by a semi authority figure that wants to ask them questions about their income and benefits

You totally neglect to mention that tax avoidance is endemic amongst the 'self employed' ....migrant and non migrant. You also fail to acknowledge that Labour has set its sights on tax avoidance as a major issue of concern. You also fail to mention that this Govmt has markedly reduced the size and therefore effectiveness of the inland revenue due to cutbacks......but still it's all the migrants fault.....because they are.......... well migrants! :rotfl:

Conrad

Tax avoidance is absolutely found in the British self employed, I've talked of this many times, but in certain immigrant communities I find it to be endemic, completely normalised behaviour. There's this whole other world out here you know nothing of, you would be amazed what goes on.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

You totally neglect to mention that tax avoidance is endemic amongst the 'self employed' ....migrant and non migrant. You also fail to acknowledge that Labour has set its sights on tax avoidance as a major issue of concern. You also fail to mention that this Govmt has markedly reduced the size and therefore effectiveness of the inland revenue due to cutbacks......but it's all the migrants fault.....because they are.......... well migrants :rotfl:

Wait.. it's not a problem that we're importing more of the same problem you've just highlighted yourself? Is that what you're saying here? You sound confused, like Corbyn.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Tax avoidance is absolutely found in the British self employed, I've talked of this many times, but in certain immigrant communities I find it to be endemic, completely normalised behaviour. There's this whole other world out here you know nothing of, you would be amazed what goes on.

Why exactly would I know nothing about it?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You are shooting at an open goal and can't miss but at least get you facts right if you are going to have a pop. When challenged he didn't want to put a cap on immigration numbers and why should he.....look what has happened to the present Govmt's promises re. immigration. He said immigration is likely to reduce naturally however if undercutting wages and the use of gang masters and cheap labor was stopped by Govmt i.e we are all subject to the same labor conditions and unscrupulous employers are stopped from using cheap labor from abroad. Nothing wrong with that if you are being fair!

So, if foreigners were paid higher wages in the UK, then fewer would come?
Have you been on a PC approved course to come to that conclusion?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Tax avoidance is absolutely found in the British self employed, I've talked of this many times, but in certain immigrant communities I find it to be endemic, completely normalised behaviour. There's this whole other world out here you know nothing of, you would be amazed what goes on.

Are you trying to imply that tax avoidance isn't a endemic, completely normalised behaviour to the non-migrants? Because you'd be wrong. It's endemic everywhere, and can only be sorted by government and HRMC.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

So, if foreigners were paid higher wages in the UK, then fewer would come?
Have you been on a PC approved course to come to that conclusion?

If businesses have to pay migrants more, they'll want less of them. If they want less of them, less will come.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Wait.. it's not a problem that we're importing more of the same problem you've just highlighted yourself? Is that what you're saying here? You sound confused, like Corbyn.

No Tricky I think you are confused if you think we can screen people so that we only allow morally upstanding tax payers in. At present we are not prepared to spend the dosh to screen our borders at all it seems! UKBA has experienced huge cuts. Part of my job is to get convicted criminals deported out of this country if they are high risk .....how hard do you think that is? You need reciprocal arrangements.... co-operation......goodwill is crucial! They get lawyers, they have human rights, they often have children and partners to consider. Cameron succeeded in getting Jamaica to build a prison to take convicted prisoners back .....that has had some impact in relation to that country but we did contribute to the building of the prison. These things cost lots of dosh! Only accepting people if they have a job of a certain income, only accepting people who have a job to go to....yeah right! Its so so simple isn't it on a forum when you can just spout forth about percentages and the economics of it all. Its all theorising nonsense spouted out by people who are in desk bound jobs, who need a dose of reality imo! Desk jockey economists....don't you just love 'em!

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

So, if foreigners were paid higher wages in the UK, then fewer would come?
Have you been on a PC approved course to come to that conclusion?

It's called 'exploitation' of Labour. Look it up, have a think about how things might change if it was ended and try to reach upwards out of your own bigotry;)

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

No Tricky I think you are confused if you think we can screen people so that we only allow morally upstanding tax payers in. At present we are not prepared to spend the dosh to screen our borders at all it seems! UKBA has experienced huge cuts. Part of my job is to get convicted criminals deported out of this country if they are high risk .....how hard do you think that is? You need reciprocal arrangements.... co-operation......goodwill is crucial! They get lawyers, they have human rights, they often have children and partners to consider. Cameron succeeded in getting Jamaica to build a prison to take convicted prisoners back .....that has had some impact in relation to that country but we did contribute to the building of the prison. These things cost lots of dosh! Only accepting people if they have a job of a certain income, only accepting people who have a job to go to....yeah right! Its so so simple isn't it on a forum when you can just spout forth about percentages and the economics of it all. Its all theorising nonsense spouted out with people who are in desk bound jobs, who need a dose of reality imo! Desk jockey economists....don't you just love 'em!

Is it simple but lefties love to complicate things.


Canada has a very rigorous immigration process, including long exams. Massive Canada happens to want high numbers currently, that's their choice, they have control.


Lots of nations manage immigration very well and have super strict rules such as not allowing citizenship or benefits for decades. Singapore deports those that stop working after 12 weeks, job done, no ooman rights pantomime, love it. Things are simple given the right mindset