Labour people, its time to dump Corbyn

Mr.Generous

mrginge wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn has been elected as labour leader twice now with huge majorities.

There will be no dumping. Go join the lib dems if you don't like it.

If he stands as leader in a general election the Lib Dems might just become the next opposition.

Spidernick

mrginge wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn has been elected as labour leader twice now with huge majorities.

There will be no dumping. Go join the lib dems if you don't like it.

No, because what we have at the moment is not the real Labour Party. There's been a highly-successful coup by Momentum, who let's face it should form their own party, but thought it would be a good idea to do an 'M K Dons' and cheat their way into the big time, rather than starting at the bottom and building up their support. I, like many 'proper' Labour supporters, am playing the long game in the hope that it will turn out right eventually.

As for the LibDems: they sold their souls to the Devil for a brief shot of power and I wouldn't dream of voting for them outside a Richmond by-election scenario and I know many people who feel the same way.

Doshwaster

padington wrote: »

I just might.

I was at a north London party tonight, the whole room was unanimous that the lib dems were the only way forward now.

Labour are dead with Corbyn.

I also know a number of socially liberal Conservatives who are concerned about the lunge of the party to the illiberal right and are now looking towards the Lib Dems. As we saw in the recent Richmond by-election the Lib Dems are capable of picking up seats from anti-EU Tories.

mrginge

padington wrote: »

I just might.

I was at a north London party tonight, the whole room was unanimous that the lib dems were the only way forward now.

Labour are dead with Corbyn.

You may be correct. However, aren't their poll ratings equally as disastrous as labour's?

Jason74

mrginge wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn has been elected as labour leader twice now with huge majorities.

There will be no dumping. Go join the lib dems if you don't like it.

With the best will in the world (and I say this is someone who's certainly left of centre as a quick look at my posts will tell anyone who cares to look), this sums up the problem with the Corbyn supporting mindset. There is a leader who (despite his unquestioned popularity among the party membership) is gaining no traction with the electorate at large, and shows no signs of doing so. Labour's current polling performance is nothing short of catastrophic, and given that most oppositions lose support between this point in the electoral cycle and polling day (Labour got an actual vote share in 2015 that was some 25% below their average poll rating in 2011 for example), Labour currently looks on course for it's worst election performance in a century.

Most parties who are serious about winning power would take a look at themselves at this point, and make the changes needed to improve their position. Changing the leader is clearly the single thing most likely to achieve that aim. But instead of doing that, Corbyn supporters instead look to "blame" the voters who are moving away from Labour, seeing them as the problem rather than what the party is doing. The problem with that approach, is that voters who are effectively told to go and vote for someone else have a strange habit of doing just that . . . . . . .and once they do, getting them back tends to be tricky.

This isn't even about 2020 anymore. That's gone. This is about whether there is a Labour party that can function as an effective opposition and potential eventual government by the time Corbyn / momentum have finished with it. The post above sums up why I am not hopeful, which is bad news for our democracy as a whole given how difficult the electoral system makes it for a viable alternative opposition to emerge.

missbiggles1

padington wrote: »

I just might.

I was at a north London party tonight, the whole room was unanimous that the lib dems were the only way forward now.

Labour are dead with Corbyn.

Posted at 19.54 - not much of a party!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Jason74 wrote: »

This isn't even about 2020 anymore. That's gone. This is about whether there is a Labour party that can function as an effective opposition and potential eventual government by the time Corbyn / momentum have finished with it. The post above sums up why I am not hopeful, which is bad news for our democracy as a whole given how difficult the electoral system makes it for a viable alternative opposition to emerge.

I've posted before that the Labour party's electoral self-immolation as it veers hard left is bad for Britain.

We desperately need a cohesive and credible opposition that can hold the govt to account.

Perhaps the Lib Dems can 'do an SNP' and regain the central but it'll be hard work.

padington

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Posted at 19.54 - not much of a party!

Started at 3pm, had to put the baby to bed and let the mrs hit the town for her friends birthday.

Last year I was up until 6am, this year alas, it was a more day time affair for me I admit.

padington

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I've posted before that the Labour party's electoral self-immolation as it veers hard left is bad for Britain.

We desperately need a cohesive and credible opposition that can hold the govt to account.

Perhaps the Lib Dems can 'do an SNP' and regain the central but it'll be hard work.

It's quite a clear offer now - social conservatism brexit lunatics, liberal democrats or inept hard left labour lunatics.

Give me the middle ground any day of the week.

CLAPTON

padington wrote: »

It's quite a clear offer now - social conservatism brexit lunatics, liberal democrats or inept hard left labour lunatics.

Give me the middle ground any day of the week.

what do you mean by social conservatives?