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Brexit vote: The breakdown
mwpt
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BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38227674
Quoted:
New research has cast fresh light on who decided to vote Leave in June's referendum - and provides further evidence of how they saw off the Remainers.
The National Centre for Social Research report is based on a "synthesis of evidence" from the British Social Attitudes Survey of 3,000 adults; the NCSR's own panel of almost 4,000 people, in May/June and September; and the British Election Study Panel of around 30,000 people.
Turnout
The National Centre for Social Research finds that of those who told it in May that they were likely to vote Leave, 11% did not actually vote.
For those saying they were likely to vote Remain, the non-voting figure was 19%.
The Remain vote "clearly softened during the campaign", the report finds.
"This must raise questions about the ability of the Remain campaign to 'get out the vote'," it says.
Big issues
The issues cited as the most important in deciding people's referendum position were:
The economy (21%)
Immigration (20%)
Sovereignty/EU bureaucracy (17%)
The report says 88% of those who thought immigration was the biggest issue voted Leave, and 90% of those who chose sovereignty.
Among those citing the economy, it was 15%.
Party
The proportion of people voting Leave, when looked at by party identification, was:
UKIP - 98%
No affiliation - 70%
Conservative - 58%
Labour - 36%
Liberal Democrat - 26%
Green Party - 21%
Newspaper
The report says voters were more likely to "follow the position" of the newspaper they read than the political party they identified with.
Newspapers
The rates of Leave voting among people looked at by the newspapers read most often were:
Sun - 70%
Express - 70%
Mail - 66%
Star - 65%
Telegraph - 55%
Mirror - 44%
No newspaper - 41%
Other paper - 33%
Times - 30%
Financial Times - 22%
Independent - 15%
Guardian - 9%
Groups
The people most likely to vote Leave were:
Those with no formal qualifications (78%)
Those with an income of less than £1,200 a month (66%)
Those in social housing provided by councils (70%) or housing associations (68%)
When questioned on their feelings about life, the people most likely to vote Leave were:
Those finding it difficult to manage financially (70%), or just about getting by (60%)
Those who believe Britain has got worse in last decade (73%)
Those who think things have got worse for them in last decade (76%)
Those who see themselves as English rather than British (74%)
The report also notes a "slow burn of Euroscepticism" and that the referendum highlighted "a wide range of social, geographic and other differences".
It was not, it adds, a "traditional left-right battle" but one more about "identity and values", calling it a "strong sign that the so-called 'culture wars' of the US have arrived in Great Britain in earnest".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38227674
Quoted:
New research has cast fresh light on who decided to vote Leave in June's referendum - and provides further evidence of how they saw off the Remainers.
The National Centre for Social Research report is based on a "synthesis of evidence" from the British Social Attitudes Survey of 3,000 adults; the NCSR's own panel of almost 4,000 people, in May/June and September; and the British Election Study Panel of around 30,000 people.
Turnout
The National Centre for Social Research finds that of those who told it in May that they were likely to vote Leave, 11% did not actually vote.
For those saying they were likely to vote Remain, the non-voting figure was 19%.
The Remain vote "clearly softened during the campaign", the report finds.
"This must raise questions about the ability of the Remain campaign to 'get out the vote'," it says.
Big issues
The issues cited as the most important in deciding people's referendum position were:
The economy (21%)
Immigration (20%)
Sovereignty/EU bureaucracy (17%)
The report says 88% of those who thought immigration was the biggest issue voted Leave, and 90% of those who chose sovereignty.
Among those citing the economy, it was 15%.
Party
The proportion of people voting Leave, when looked at by party identification, was:
UKIP - 98%
No affiliation - 70%
Conservative - 58%
Labour - 36%
Liberal Democrat - 26%
Green Party - 21%
Newspaper
The report says voters were more likely to "follow the position" of the newspaper they read than the political party they identified with.
Newspapers
The rates of Leave voting among people looked at by the newspapers read most often were:
Sun - 70%
Express - 70%
Mail - 66%
Star - 65%
Telegraph - 55%
Mirror - 44%
No newspaper - 41%
Other paper - 33%
Times - 30%
Financial Times - 22%
Independent - 15%
Guardian - 9%
Groups
The people most likely to vote Leave were:
Those with no formal qualifications (78%)
Those with an income of less than £1,200 a month (66%)
Those in social housing provided by councils (70%) or housing associations (68%)
When questioned on their feelings about life, the people most likely to vote Leave were:
Those finding it difficult to manage financially (70%), or just about getting by (60%)
Those who believe Britain has got worse in last decade (73%)
Those who think things have got worse for them in last decade (76%)
Those who see themselves as English rather than British (74%)
The report also notes a "slow burn of Euroscepticism" and that the referendum highlighted "a wide range of social, geographic and other differences".
It was not, it adds, a "traditional left-right battle" but one more about "identity and values", calling it a "strong sign that the so-called 'culture wars' of the US have arrived in Great Britain in earnest".
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The really surprising bit of that is that 2% of UKIP supporters didn't vote for Brexit."When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson0
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With no exit poll where exactly are they getting these 'facts'. They can not really believe their 37000 people can really cast light on such a complex set of reasoning in this vote.0
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lush_walrus wrote: »With no exit poll where exactly are they getting these 'facts'. They can not really believe their 37000 people can really cast light on such a complex set of reasoning in this vote.
I agree. In passing, here's a sample of how some people I know (mostly Londoners) voted, for example:
1. One friend, who has three archaeology degrees (though has always been unambitious in terms of earning money), and has travelled extensively to places like Palestine as well as the Continent, voted Leave.
2. Another friend, who is a designer (with a degree) and recently completed another degree to change careers successfully to become a counsellor, voted Leave. She, like the person above, is very progressive (loads of gay friends, a woman of the world, etc.), and thought deeply about the vote. In the end, it came down mostly to sovereignty for these two, and a lack of belief in empires based on experiences with these.
3. Another friend who held a very senior position in a music company voted Leave.
4. A 30-year-old in my family (with a degree), when asked why he'd voted remain, said 'I might not be able to travel to other European countries, but I must find out more about it [the entire issue, that is!].'
5. Another of the same age voted leave (has a degree) because he is against the influx of so many people due to uncontrolled migration, which he feels will make the country go bust, as well as fuelling major discontent.
6. Two family members (artists) voted remain because they live in a very highly priced property (in an expensive area of London) and are afraid of things like drops in house prices. Both have degrees.
7. Another who is very affluent (lives in Islington, London, has an additional house in 'the country', and follows the PC affluent leftie doctrine), with inherited wealth, voted remain for similar reasons.
8. Two other people I know voted leave due to concerns about sovereignty (both people with degrees).
9. Another friend who is quite affluent and has a property in Slovenia voted remain.
10. A cousin and her husband in the New Forest area voted leave due to concerns about uncontrolled immigration and sovereignty (she has a property in France and came to this country about 15 years ago from Australia and other countries before that). She has a degree and is very clever; he doesn't have a degree.0 -
I agree. In passing, here's a sample of how some people I know (mostly Londoners) voted, for example:
1. One friend, who has three archaeology degrees (though has always been unambitious in terms of earning money), and has travelled extensively to places like Palestine as well as the Continent, voted Leave.
2. Another friend, who is a designer (with a degree) and recently completed another degree to change careers successfully to become a counsellor, voted Leave. She, like the person above, is very progressive (loads of gay friends, a woman of the world, etc.), and thought deeply about the vote. In the end, it came down mostly to sovereignty for these two, and a lack of belief in empires based on experiences with these.
3. Another friend who held a very senior position in a music company voted Leave.
4. A 30-year-old in my family (with a degree), when asked why he'd voted remain, said 'I might not be able to travel to other European countries, but I must find out more about it [the entire issue, that is!].'
5. Another of the same age voted leave (has a degree) because he is against the influx of so many people due to uncontrolled migration, which he feels will make the country go bust, as well as fuelling major discontent.
6. Two family members (artists) voted remain because they live in a very highly priced property (in an expensive area of London) and are afraid of things like drops in house prices. Both have degrees.
7. Another who is very affluent (lives in Islington, London, has an additional house in 'the country', and follows the PC affluent leftie doctrine), with inherited wealth, voted remain for similar reasons.
8. Two other people I know voted leave due to concerns about sovereignty (both people with degrees).
9. Another friend who is quite affluent and has a property in Slovenia voted remain.
10. A cousin and her husband in the New Forest area voted leave due to concerns about uncontrolled immigration and sovereignty (she has a property in France and came to this country about 15 years ago from Australia and other countries before that). She has a degree and is very clever; he doesn't have a degree.
Oh how convenient. Those with degrees and 'senior positions' voted Leave, inherited wealth and housing rampers voted Remain. :rotfl:Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0 -
I wonder how many voted remain because they believe in closer political and economic integration with the EU. After all, that's what this is really about...“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0
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I wonder how many voted remain because they believe in closer political and economic integration with the EU. After all, that's what this is really about...
Why was ever closer political and economic union inevitable for the UK? We are not members of the Euro group.
https://fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-ever-closer-union/“It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom”'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I wonder how many voted remain because they believe in closer political and economic integration with the EU. After all, that's what this is really about...
:hello:
..........“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
lush_walrus wrote: »With no exit poll where exactly are they getting these 'facts'. They can not really believe their 37000 people can really cast light on such a complex set of reasoning in this vote.
The first paragraph tells you where the facts and figures come from.
Quite why you think a selective exit poll would be more accurate than another selective poll is beyond me. 37,000 people is a very reasonable sample size.0 -
This tallies up with my experience pretty well.
People who aren't doing as well as others will blame anything but themselves.
Once we've left the EU what will their excuse be then?This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0
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