Stopped by police...

Richard53

Not upset, just concerned that poor old Dad might lose his car if Motability find out. I guess the first question they would ask in the event of an accident would be 'purpose of journey?' Of course, the OP could have been picking Dad up from the station, but it didn't read like that.

Car_54

Mercdriver wrote: »

Was it a marked car? If it was unmarked and they weren't wearing uniforms are you obliged to stop? I'd read on pepipoo that you aren't

It doesn't appear to matter whether the car is marked, so long as the occifer is in uniform.

The relevant law is "A person driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform or a traffic officer." Road Traffic Act 1988 s 163(1).

decrement

Car_54 wrote: »

Because they couldn't use it in evidence unless they'd cautioned you.

So are you saying that if it goes to court and a fine/ban, anything said by the police at the scene doesn't count as part of the case i.e failing to give verbal NIP etc?

That's the reason they don't bother to wrote a statement on the spot?

decrement

Justice13075 wrote: »

If they were real police officers while they followed you they would have done a Police National Computer check (PNC) on the vehicle which means there would be a record. They would also have shown you a warrant card.

100% didn't do this in front of me, unless they did it after i left the scene as they had my licence number.

Richard53 wrote: »

Not upset, just concerned that poor old Dad might lose his car if Motability find out. I guess the first question they would ask in the event of an accident would be 'purpose of journey?' Of course, the OP could have been picking Dad up from the station, but it didn't read like that.

I used to confused with this aspect of motability too but when i first took a motability car out they said that you are allowed to use it for commuting but not business use. They said they would be more concerned if i drove off to scotand or something but not driving a few mile to the station for commuting. Also when i have been involved in traffic incidents (when someone hit me), motability have never asked what i was doing at the time and why was my car in the location it was.

Final point is the insurance contract (RSA) states that the car can be used for commuting.

wiseonesomeofthetime

If you have allowed the most to write down al of your personal details, including driver licence number, I would be more concerned about identity theft.

As suggested by other posters, I recommend contacting local police and seeing if there is a record of the stop.

If you have the registration of the unmarked vehicle, they would be able to confirm that. Personally though, I probably wouldn't have made a note of it myself either.

I would have asked for warrant cards though . . . . Assuming I would have stopped for an 'unmarked car' in the first place that is. Though if blue lights flash you would tend to, wouldn't you.

All police officers should carry them and produce them on demand. Even if in uniform bizarrely!

NBLondon

decrement wrote: »

When I reached D road at 6pm an unmarked police car turned their lights on so I stopped on the side of the road.

Blue lights? Otherwise an unmarked car with plainclothes officers is just a car so why stop?


The one time I was stopped by an unmarked traffic car it was with a light up sign in the back window and the driver was uniformed (this was in the days before stab vests so without his cap on - he just looked like a man in a white shirt driving a grey Rover 800).


If they didn't show cards or take notes or give you any slip - then I doubt there'll be an actual summons. Maybe they were just bored and decided to put the wind up you.

Car_54

decrement wrote: »

So are you saying that if it goes to court and a fine/ban, anything said by the police at the scene doesn't count as part of the case i.e failing to give verbal NIP etc?

That's the reason they don't bother to wrote a statement on the spot?

In the old days, the police could go to court and say "When stopped, the accused said 'It's a fair cop, guv. You've got me bang to rights.'" and that could be taken as a confession.

They now have to caution the suspect "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

Anything said by the suspect before that warning is given is inadmissable. It does not apply to anything said by the police, or anyone else.

AdrianC

decrement wrote: »

I used to confused with this aspect of motability too but when i first took a motability car out they said that you are allowed to use it for commuting but not business use. They said they would be more concerned if i drove off to scotand or something but not driving a few mile to the station for commuting. Also when i have been involved in traffic incidents (when someone hit me), motability have never asked what i was doing at the time and why was my car in the location it was.

Final point is the insurance contract (RSA) states that the car can be used for commuting.

There's a big difference between the motability/DLA recipient using the car for commuting, and a random family member using the car for commuting.

http://www.motability.co.uk/about-the-scheme/how-your-car-can-be-used/

How your car can be used Before you can lease a car through the Motability Scheme, you’ll need to make sure you’re happy to lease a car within the Scheme’s terms and conditions.


We’ll ask you to make sure:

• The car is used by, or for the benefit of, the disabled person. This does not mean that the disabled person needs to be in the car for every journey. In practice, this means other named drivers in the household can use the car for shopping and other routine activities, as long as the disabled customer will benefit...

Also
http://www.motability.co.uk/statement-of-responsibilities.pdf

I understand and confirm that I will abide by the following rules throughout the Contract Hire Agreement:

• The car will only be used for the benefit of the disabled customer.

decrement

wiseonesomeofthetime wrote: »

If you have allowed the most to write down al of your personal details, including driver licence number, I would be more concerned about identity theft.

As suggested by other posters, I recommend contacting local police and seeing if there is a record of the stop.

If you have the registration of the unmarked vehicle, they would be able to confirm that. Personally though, I probably wouldn't have made a note of it myself either.

I would have asked for warrant cards though . . . . Assuming I would have stopped for an 'unmarked car' in the first place that is. Though if blue lights flash you would tend to, wouldn't you.

All police officers should carry them and produce them on demand. Even if in uniform bizarrely!

NBLondon wrote: »

Blue lights? Otherwise an unmarked car with plainclothes officers is just a car so why stop?


The one time I was stopped by an unmarked traffic car it was with a light up sign in the back window and the driver was uniformed (this was in the days before stab vests so without his cap on - he just looked like a man in a white shirt driving a grey Rover 800).


If they didn't show cards or take notes or give you any slip - then I doubt there'll be an actual summons. Maybe they were just bored and decided to put the wind up you.

Thanks to both, yes you are right in normal circumstances i wouldn't stop but i thought they were trying to get around me (narrow road) so i was stopping to give way. Also because how dark the road was i couldn't see that the car was unmarked until i got out.

I didn't get the licence plate but i should have, i just panicked because the first cop got so in my face and accusatory while the other went and parked it further away i didn't see it.

decrement

AdrianC wrote: »

There's a big difference between the motability/DLA recipient using the car for commuting, and a random family member using the car for commuting.

http://www.motability.co.uk/about-the-scheme/how-your-car-can-be-used/

[/LIST]
Also
http://www.motability.co.uk/statement-of-responsibilities.pdf

[/LIST]

Completely agree with you as i queried all of this with motability. Again i can only go back to what they told me and that was you can use it for short commuting. I have on numerous occasions told them this and they dont care.