Will Govt. win in Supreme Court?

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

There is no "ruling class" with a divine right to rule. The ballot box is not king, it is an element of democracy which includes the right to express alternative opinions before, during and after any ballot and the rule of law.

Your simplistic argument "we won, shut up" is not democracy. I for one want to see the UK leave the EU, based on the rule of law which appears to require an Act of a sovereign Parliament. But that does not mean that people are not entitled to express opinions and does not involve ignoring referendums. Neither does it mean that the views of the 48% about what happens next can be ignored, particularly when those views are about life outside of the EU.

Discussion and scrutiny by parliament of the negotiation process and decision has always been on the agenda. A fact which has been repeated ad nauseam, but yet seems to be being ignored by some.

Tim Farron for example. A man who was happy enough with parliamentary democracy when he was in government. A man who didn't feel the need to seek approval from the electorate when he took part in a coalition that 'nobody had voted for'.
A man who didn't feel the need to consider the voters who didn't vote lib dem after his party took office.
A man whose party simply abandoned their own policies and voters in order to cling on to the Parliamentary power that they now deem insufficient to make decisions on behalf of the country.

thor

BobQ wrote: »

Your simplistic argument "we won, shut up" is not democracy. I for one want to see the UK leave the EU, based on the rule of law which appears to require an Act of a sovereign Parliament. But that does not mean that people are not entitled to express opinions and does not involve ignoring referendums. Neither does it mean that the views of the 48% about what happens next can be ignored, particularly when those views are about life outside of the EU.

Parliament won't stop stop brexit despite what the likes of Farage is claiming(it's UKIP needing to prolong this to keep themselves relevant) and I think the process will follow May's original timetable.
Of course had the result gone the other way with remain winning with 52% of the vote, the leave people would have kept silent and not had a good old whinge about it;)

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

Discussion and scrutiny by parliament of the negotiation process and decision has always been on the agenda. A fact which has been repeated ad nauseam, but yet seems to be being ignored by some.

Tim Farron for example. A man who was happy enough with parliamentary democracy when he was in government. A man who didn't feel the need to seek approval from the electorate when he took part in a coalition that 'nobody had voted for'.
A man who didn't feel the need to consider the voters who didn't vote lib dem after his party took office.
A man whose party simply abandoned their own policies and voters in order to cling on to the Parliamentary power that they now deem insufficient to make decisions on behalf of the country.

Attacking people will not change the concept of democracy.

Conrad

thor wrote: »

Of course had the result gone the other way with remain winning with 52% of the vote, the leave people would have kept silent and not had a good old whinge about it;)

With 80%+ Remain voting MP's we would not have been offered another referendum that's for sure, the whole Establishment would have put it to bed end of story.


You forget what a landslide the Leave vote was given the entire Establishment and Govt tried to scare people witless.


Loads of remain voters call LBC to say they were simply too scared to vote Leave and now regret it, regret the fact they were cowed and manipulated by utter nonsense

Conrad

mrginge wrote: »

Discussion and scrutiny by parliament of the negotiation process and decision has always been on the agenda. A fact which has been repeated ad nauseam, but yet seems to be being ignored by some.

Tim Farron for example. A man who was happy enough with parliamentary democracy when he was in government. A man who didn't feel the need to seek approval from the electorate when he took part in a coalition that 'nobody had voted for'.
A man who didn't feel the need to consider the voters who didn't vote lib dem after his party took office.

A man whose party simply abandoned their own policies and voters in order to cling on to the Parliamentary power that they now deem insufficient to make decisions on behalf of the
country.

Farron was blissfully unconcerned as Parliament stole our rights and sovereignty and handed them over to the EU time and again. How dare they have given away our rights on a lie - Referendum 1 was a lie - we were told it would only ever be about trade, never about ceding substantive sovereignty


And, when their libtard world is upside down they dare to speak of their sudden renewed interest in sovereignty. Their goal is to keep us in the EU, they care nothing for sovereignty

Mortgagefreeman

Conrad wrote: »

With 80%+ Remain voting MP's we would not have been offered another referendum that's for sure, the whole Establishment would have put it to bed end of story.


You forget what a landslide the Leave vote was given the entire Establishment and Govt tried to scare people witless.


Loads of remain voters call LBC to say they were simply too scared to vote Leave and now regret it, regret the fact they were cowed and manipulated by utter nonsense

Thanks Conrad. Sums it up quite neatly.

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

No. Democracy is where everyone is listened to, not just 27% of the population.

So if 27% of the population had voted remain, you'd have accepted it?
Sorry sonny, you're really getting me confused.:rotfl:

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

I think the term "remoaners" is disgusting and bizarre. I fail to see why anyone should be castigated for having an opinion just because the majority did not agree in June. The term is anti-democratic, in that it says we won you are not allowed to have an opinion for ever more.

Can I ask what you think of the media and some on here referring to leave voters as xenophobes, little Englanders, racists, fascists?

If "remoaner" is the worst you have to contend with, I think "disgusting" is a rather strong tone to use when in comparison with what people like myself have to put up with.

mayonnaise

TBH, I don't have a problem with the term remoaner.

If the definition of a remoaner is someone not joining the bigoted numb-skull brexiteering unwashed masses in cheering on the awesomeness of brexit, I'm glad to be called a remoaner.
If that makes me part of the 'sneering liberal elite', I'll take that title as well, thank you.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

TBH, I don't have a problem with the term remoaner.

If the definition of a remoaner is someone not joining the bigoted numb-skull brexiteering unwashed masses in cheering on the awesomeness of brexit, I'm glad to be called a remoaner.
If that makes me part of the 'sneering liberal elite', I'll take that title as well, thank you.

Your bitterness is a joy to behold for a proud leave voter like me.
To have your world view summarily junked by people you despise must be galling for you, here`s hoping your pain lasts for the full two years and beyond.