Will Govt. win in Supreme Court?

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

that sounds like one that only gives the results you want

No it doesn't.

I assumed that you discovered you lived in a dictstorship some time ago : plenty of time to find a more democratic country

I look forward to May losing in the SC and being asked if she would like to appeal to the European Court of Justice, as is democracy. I also look forward to the SC judges giving you your Parliamentary Sovereignty, which was a key pledge of the referendum vote on the Leave campaign.

In the meantime, I'll deal with my personal affairs in a way that I see fit, and that do not concern you or anyone else.

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

And what percentage were refused the right to vote on an issue that will affect them, but won't affect the 120000 leave voters that have died since the referendum?

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Probably the most bizarre arguement I've ever seen posted on these Forums, although I'm not exactly surprised it's been posted by you.

Like a lot of the remoaners,six months on and you still can't accept the decision of the People. The only democracy you're interested in is the one that suits you which isn't democracy.

I expect you support this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/10/the-gambia-troops-deployed-to-streets-as-president-rejects-election-defeat

mrginge

CKhalvashi wrote: »

And what percentage were refused the right to vote on an issue that will affect them, but won't affect the 120000 leave voters that have died since the referendum?

Not only are remain voters more intelligent, stronger, richer, better in bed and better looking but they also now seem to have the secret of eternal life.

Someone should have explained this to me before the vote !!!!!!.

.string.

mrginge wrote: »

Not only are remain voters more intelligent, stronger, richer, better in bed and better looking but they also now seem to have the secret of eternal life.

Someone should have explained this to me before the vote !!!!!!.

Thank you. It is nice to be appreciated.

However I am now a Get-on-with-it voter.

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Probably the most bizarre arguement I've ever seen posted on these Forums, although I'm not exactly surprised it's been posted by you.

Like a lot of the remoaners,six months on and you still can't accept the decision of the People. The only democracy you're interested in is the one that suits you which isn't democracy.

I expect you support this?

wi

Bizzare? Disgusting (Clapton). Not sure I see your problem with CK's post.

It is an argument but you can make all sorts of arguments about who should vote (expats, lost postal votes, 16-17 yos) and what people who have since died did or did not do. The fact is the voting eligibility was defined by Parliament and the result is only ever going to be an accurate reflection of the public view on the day of the vote. But the decision has been made and we are leaving the EU.

I think the term "remoaners" is disgusting and bizarre. I fail to see why anyone should be castigated for having an opinion just because the majority did not agree in June. The term is anti-democratic, in that it says we won you are not allowed to have an opinion for ever more.

Mortgagefreeman

BobQ wrote: »

I think the term "remoaners" is disgusting and bizarre. I fail to see why anyone should be castigated for having an opinion just because the majority did not agree in June. The term is anti-democratic, in that it says we won you are not allowed to have an opinion for ever more.

Sorry, I apologise, perhaps I should have said sore losers?

The word democracy comes from Greek,meaning 'rule of the commoners' or 'rule of the majority'What part of the 'rule of the majority' are you having problems with? Oh no, I get it now......if more people had voted remain would have won!:rotfl:

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Sorry, I apologise, perhaps I should have said sore losers?

The word democracy comes from Greek,meaning 'rule of the commoners' or 'rule of the majority'What part of the 'rule of the majority' are you having problems with? Oh no, I get it now......if more people had voted remain would have won!:rotfl:

You need to distinguish the etymological root of a word from its meaning.

Democracy is defined by the OED as " A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives: 'a system of parliamentary democracy' "

Democracy is meaningless if it does not involve the whole population. You speak of "rule of the majority". Democracy does require the election of a Government, but it does not then mean that the Government rides roughshod over the population, ignoring the rule of law, human rights and the rights of minorities.

In a democracy, people (all people) have the right to express their opinions but if a minority opinion can be ignored, dismissed or ridiculed purely because it is a minority view it endangers democracy.

You may think it clever to ridicule those who disagree with you as "bad losers" or "remoaners" but that is just a euphemism for qualifying freedom of speech.

CKhalvashi

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Probably the most bizarre arguement I've ever seen posted on these Forums, although I'm not exactly surprised it's been posted by you.

I fail to see how that argument is in any way bizarre.

Like a lot of the remoaners,six months on and you still can't accept the decision of the People. The only democracy you're interested in is the one that suits you which isn't democracy.

No. Democracy is where everyone is listened to, not just 27% of the population.

Please learn how to spell remainer. It's not a difficult word, only 8 letters and you know most of it already.

I expect you support this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/10/the-gambia-troops-deployed-to-streets-as-president-rejects-election-defeat

That election wasn't advisory, the referendum was. Big difference.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

No. Democracy is where everyone is listened to, not just 27% of the population.
That election wasn't advisory, the referendum was. Big difference.

The desperation for people like you to try and abrogate the Brexit result is telling.
The vote in the Commons this week was seminal in our journey out of the EU, our elected reps had the opportunity to play your "advisory and the 27%" cards yet voted overwhelmingly to honour the will of the majority.
You and I reside in no ordinary democracy, everyone gets listened to but the ballot box is king. If you want a ruling class that ignores referendums or who intall technocrats to run things for the sake of political expediency then perhaps you do need to move from our shores.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

The desperation for people like you to try and abrogate the Brexit result is telling.
The vote in the Commons this week was seminal in our journey out of the EU, our elected reps had the opportunity to play your "advisory and the 27%" cards yet voted overwhelmingly to honour the will of the majority.
You and I reside in no ordinary democracy, everyone gets listened to but the ballot box is king. If you want a ruling class that ignores referendums or who intall technocrats to run things for the sake of political expediency then perhaps you do need to move from our shores.

There is no "ruling class" with a divine right to rule. The ballot box is not king, it is an element of democracy which includes the right to express alternative opinions before, during and after any ballot and the rule of law.

Your simplistic argument "we won, shut up" is not democracy. I for one want to see the UK leave the EU, based on the rule of law which appears to require an Act of a sovereign Parliament. But that does not mean that people are not entitled to express opinions and does not involve ignoring referendums. Neither does it mean that the views of the 48% about what happens next can be ignored, particularly when those views are about life outside of the EU.