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Farage said on The World @ One today that the monthly currency movement risk is more than WTO tariff imposition would add up to and that's before we account for the £8-£10 billion annual EU club fee savings.
Farage can lie as much as he likes but it doesn't make it so.
The costs of leaving the EU dwarf the costs of staying in - in the Autumn statement £417 million per week allocate as a result of leaving - versus under £150m per week as the net cost of staying.
No wonder the NHS has now been told to make £20 billion in cuts - rather than getting an extra £8.5 billion in funding as the leave campaign promised.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The costs of leaving the EU dwarf the costs of staying in - in the Autumn statement £417 million per week allocate as a result of leaving - versus under £150m per week as the net cost of staying.
No wonder the NHS has now been told to make £20 billion in cuts - rather than getting an extra £8.5 billion in funding as the leave campaign promised.
Or are you just trolling as usual?
You can (as we know by now) say pretty much what you want on this forum but as you yourself say: "but it doesn't make it so".0 -
A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »Links for any of that Hamish?
Here you go...Britain will need to borrow an extra £58.6bn because of Brexit, the Chancellor has revealed, the first time the Government has put a figure on leaving the EU.As well as larger borrowing, Chancellor Philip Hammond is facing a £40bn fall in growth by 2020.
The combined figures mean the final cost of choosing to leave the EU could be £100bn“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
presumably these are OBR estimates
The OBR has (so far) got every single one of its forecasts wrong by a significant amount.
of course past performance is no guide to the future0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »presumably these are OBR estimates
The OBR has (so far) got every single one of its forecasts wrong by a significant amount.
of course past performance is no guide to the future
Quite so, the OBR are consistent in their incorrect forecasting if in nothing else.
Note the "could"* and the following from Hamish's link:The OBR, the Treasury's spending watchdog, said the extra Brexit-related borrowing was as a result of lower migration, lower interest rates, economic slowdown and higher inflation.It said it had found it hard to factor in the impact of Brexit on economic growth because of scant information provided by the Government.
Some people seen to have such a difficulty with supposition ...... except when it suits them, as Hamish very amply demonstrates.
So if the economy does not slow down or interest rates fall or well, how many variables eh?
* "Lower growth and increased borrowing could put the eventual cost of Brexit at £100bn, says the Treasury spending watchdog."
Of course higher growth and decreased borrowing could negate any of the costs associated with Brexit.
Judging by the OBR's past performance I know which scenario I would find more likely.0 -
"I have a question for you. At some point in the future, let us say 1 Jan 2019, we will leave the EU as you want and as we collectively voted to do. Do you want to leave on the best terms for the UK or do you want to leave on the worst possible terms for the UK? In fact do you accept that some terms would be better for us that others?Your best terms are based on the fraudulent notion we are a weak beggar ready to be whipped. It's an upside down back to front view.
We will be a soverign nation like any other, we will be steadfast and sure footed, all Remaoner hysterics clutter up very simple principles
As you have chosen to answer the question I asked of another poster, is this the best that you can do?
Forget your views and my views, do you accept that some terms we can leave on are better than others?
A genuine answer must be "yes" which begs the question of why you would want to leave on worse terms when you can have better?
Unless of course you believe there is only one way we can be outside of the EU: that is the CONRAD way.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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