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Motorists, what to do about cyclists who constantly break the high way code???
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Doesn't the Highway Code say the horn should not be used as a rebuke? Which is a very grey area since the sound doesn't adequately distinguish between "Hey - there's a vehicle here that I don't think you noticed!" and "Hey! I think you're being a !!!!!"If the lights were on red then the cyclist would be committing an offence, pedestrians or not, and his view of the crossing would presumably be restricted by my car. The law allows the use of a horn while stationary "at times of danger due to another moving vehicle on or near the road".
In the case described I wouldn't beep - I don't think it would achieve anything. If there were pedestrians, then I might do so... to alert the pedestrians that there was an overtaking cyclist and the cyclist that they were potentially endangering other road users (and breaking Highway Code Rule 191).I need to think of something new here...0 -
How about if you were waiting at a pedestrian crossing in your car and a cyclist went through on red well after any pedestrians had safely finished crossing? Would you beep or shout at them?
Riding to work last week I was waiting at a pedestrian crossing on red. The red man light came on, the traffic lights went green, I set off and a bloke STARTED to cross the road from the other sideSam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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Doesn't the Highway Code say the horn should not be used as a rebuke? Which is a very grey area since the sound doesn't adequately distinguish between "Hey - there's a vehicle here that I don't think you noticed!" and "Hey! I think you're being a !!!!!"
In the case described I wouldn't beep - I don't think it would achieve anything. If there were pedestrians, then I might do so... to alert the pedestrians that there was an overtaking cyclist and the cyclist that they were potentially endangering other road users (and breaking Highway Code Rule 191).
I had to do just this the other day here.
https://goo.gl/maps/3Ajv73rqQpk
Corsa driver just steamed through with pedestrians coming from either side of the zebra crossing!
Sounded my horn to warn the pedestrians.One woman shouted at me, but to be fair I think it was adrenaline from the Corsa nearly running her over and assuming a car driver was (as seems the norm) forcing their way through.
On a side note,the driving around this shopping centre is often atrocious,combined with very poor design.0 -
Norman_Castle wrote: »I was never taught to swing wide before a junction. Its likely you were told to do that because you were clipping the kerb when turning. Is it in The Highway Code?
The rear wheels of a vehicle always cut the corner, so the need to swing out depends on the relationship between the radius of the bend and the turning circle of the vehicle. A Mini on a wide radius won't need to swing out, but with a longer vehicle or tighter bend the rear wheels will clip if you don't.They race in and out of traffic, complete danger to everyone on the road........dangerous cycling should be enforced by the police just as much as dangerous driving should be.
"Now for those who will no doubt be spitting out their finest percolated roasted bean brew at this moment screaming “what about the cyclists !” well…….statistical analysis shows they aren’t to blame, innocent in the majority of KSI collisions it would be a waste of our time, and thus public time and money to concentrate on cyclist behaviour. The figures speak for themselves…….driver’s don’t let your prejudices get in the way of the truth…….
Cyclists don’t cause us, as an organisation, problems, that’s because they aren’t causing our communities problems, they aren’t killing nearly 100 people on our regions roads as mechanically propelled vehicles currently do.
Bad cycling is an “irritant” to the wider community rather than a danger"
West Midlands Police0 -
trinidadone wrote: »you can get lights for as cheap as £2.99 from a supermarket
It'll cost you more than that if you want lights that meet BS6102/3.0 -
I think this gets distorted by some cycling advocates who insist on only counting actual injuries and there are no figures for "near misses".
You need to be careful with road injury stats, the number of injuries recorded is not as reliable as the number of deaths because the definition of an injury is more subjective and the expertise and number of people available for filling in paperwork varies. Similarly, the number of near misses will be less reliable still. Death is clearly defined, and as dead bodies don’t generally get left at the roadside the number recorded isn’t dependent on staffing levels. Death stats show random fluctuations, but injury stats correlate with the number of police available for form filling.0 -
It'll cost you more than that if you want lights that meet BS6102/3.
Which it doesn't necessarily have to, since there is virtually zero likelihood of anyone ever being prosecuted for using lights not meeting that standard. It also doesn't need to if it meets another appropriate European standard.
Ultimately, face with "lit by nothing or lit by unapproved light", I know which I'd prefer cyclists to do. Something's better than nothing, and I couldn't give two hoots if it meets a British Standard.0 -
Lot of cyclists round this area
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/drunk-driver-who-hit-student-and-drove-into-cafe-avoids-jail-1-4262872
£400 to kill somebody
http://road.cc/content/news/208595-taxi-driver-who-fatally-injured-cyclist-dooring-fined-£400
However feel free to tell us of these dangerous tax dodging cyclists0 -
BeenThroughItAll wrote: »It also doesn't need to if it meets another appropriate European standard.
Or SI2559.I couldn't give two hoots if it meets a British Standard.
Mine aren't approved either, but the risk you run is not in being nicked, it's handing the defence an excuse on a plate if you get knocked off your bike at night.0 -
Lot of cyclists round this area
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/drunk-driver-who-hit-student-and-drove-into-cafe-avoids-jail-1-4262872
£400 to kill somebody
http://road.cc/content/news/208595-taxi-driver-who-fatally-injured-cyclist-dooring-fined-£400
However feel free to tell us of these dangerous tax dodging cyclists
This is completely unrelated to this thread.Trinidad - I have a number of needs. Don't shoot me down if i get something wrong!!0
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