Microsoft should be totally ashamed - W10 uninvited massive 2 hour update is CR#P

AndyPix

agarnett wrote: »

350 million users are not all like that,
?

What on earth do you base that on ??


Oh yes - YOUR experience ..

agarnett wrote: »

especially the Home Edition users who DID accept a W10 upgrade last year, but who hadn't a clue that they would be forced to accept the W10 Anniversary Update this year unexpectedly?

You accepted the terms and conditions when you installed windows 10. I suspect that the number who didnt expect to be updated automatically is a LOT less than you think.

agarnett wrote: »

Home users need their machines to work as they expect daily so they can be sure they can continue to do today what they did yesterday, and will want to do again tomorrow at a time to suit them, without any disruption.

You keep banging on about the disgruntled home user, but have you not noticed, you are the only one expressing this view on here ?
Sure, a few will have had problems - sorted it and moved on.


These things happen, but you make out like it is only the "tech elite" that are happily using W10.
You are not a spokesperson for the W10 home userbase, where is your evidence that the overwhelming majority have the same views as you ?


If you are the "go to guy" between you and your pals when they have computer issues, then no offence but you are dealing with a very sub-par niche of windows 10 users

agarnett wrote: »

In a corporate environment, which is I am guessing where a large chunk of those 350 million installations reside -.

Wrong wrong wrong , large corperations NEVER roll out new operating systems across the board until they are proven and tested to work with the current infrastructure and bespoke systems.
You will find that most of that 350 million users are infact home users.


Im guessing big corps will start to look at W10 mid 2017 apart from a few test deployments

agarnett wrote: »

We, the vast majority of existing Windows 10 Home users did not buy into this unexpected Anniversary Update and upshot either deliberately, or at all.-.

You absolutely did, when you agreed to the terms and conditions of installing this free operating system

Lambyr

I had some issues with the Anniversary Edition update.

It pinned a browser to my taskbar and removed a program from the startup folder.

Clearly Microsoft are pure evil.

System

Well on whim I decided to update my winx on my iMac.

Last used in May, so it started the merry-go-round of updates, and at least 1 of which wouldn't play ball.

SO I went and got the anniversary update and almost instantly (3 - 4 hours) after some restarts WinX Anniversary Update was running.

Today the challenge is to replace El Capitan with whatever Apple has in store (We are pleased to give you access to the iOS 10 and macOS Sierra final release candidates. We will be shipping the final versions to customers worldwide in the coming weeks and appreciate you trying out the releases and providing feedback. You can install the iOS 10 GM candidate from Software Update. And you can get a redemption code for the macOS Sierra GM candidate from beta dot apple dot com and download it from the Mac App Store.
Thank you for participating in the Apple Beta Software Program and helping us make these releases our best yet.) without breaking too many other bits and bobs.

Nothing broke, it just got lost somewhere and failed.

mart44

I'm a home user and upgraded two computers to Windows 10 without problems then, when it became available, carried out the Anniversary Update. No problems with either computer.

Some people obviously don't have the same trouble-free experience. I wonder if this is because Microsoft can't possibly cater for the condition of everyone's computer as regards what's already installed on it, how well maintained the OS is, whether it has malware (hidden or otherwise) and probably a whole host of other factors.

I've seen it recommended to uninstall security software before major upgrades and maybe not doing this could cause difficulties for some. This seems to make sense because AV programs in particular are designed to detect and prevent changes to the computer. A bad upgrade could be a result of the security program doing what is designed to do.

In any event, I'd never try to remedy an upgrade if it turned out not to have gone well. I think the 'clean installation' procedure mentioned earlier in the thread would be best. Back up files, download the Media Creation Tool, make an installation disk, do the clean installation and then reinstall programs. This stands a much better chance of making a trouble-free computer.

When the Anniversary Update was released, I did a clean installation on one of our computers, purely to go through the experience of it (the other one just upgraded). Getting up and running again with all programs installed and settings done takes a while. However, probably a lot less time than trying to sort out an upgraded computer where things have not gone well for one reason or another.

Once everything is running OK and all preferences are set, make a disk image of the system.

AndyPix

^^ Great post - Sensible, well thought out, and to the point

debitcardmayhem

@ALF -
You "may" solve your kaspersky update problems by manually adding the ip address to one of their servers using the prefernences/options of the product. their servers are of the form

dnl-XX.geo.kaspersky.com where XX is 00 through 19 , use nslookup to find the real ip eg dnl-11..... is 80.239.197.116 and dnl-08.... is 212.73.221.199

I used this method to resolve a friends problems with KIS

almillar

In a corporate environment, which is I am guessing where a large chunk of those 350 million installations reside

You claim to be so experienced in IT, but don't realise that corporations tend to hang back from installing the latest stuff. I'd bet most businesses are on W7. I bet it's a very small chunk of that 350 million that are in a corporate environment.

Please stop assuming that everyone in here that tells you you're wrong, works in IT. I don't. I'm a home user like you.

We, the vast majority of existing Windows 10 Home users did not buy into this unexpected Anniversary Update and upshot either deliberately, or at all.

You didn't actually BUY anything, I bet.

They are essentially stuck with the Microsoft monopoly that developed down the years if they wish to market new PC's to existing Windows users.

Do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?
Also, it's not a monopoly. Have you heard of a little company called Apple? Dell etc have experimented with Linux installations. Either that was successful and you can still get them, or it wasn't profitable, and they stopped it. Do you remember OS/2?

W10 didn't cause this, your out of date software did.

agarnett

Thanks debitcardmayhem, but I'd rather not fiddle too much as I have to then keep a record of what I have fiddled with! I'll just wait a month or so and do a fresh install of Kaspersky. Besides, this is the first version of Windows Defender that has ever made it onto my computer without being relegated by me to the background and switched off and ignored as far as seemed sensible! May as well give it a run now.

AndyPix wrote:

You keep banging on about the disgruntled home user, but have you not noticed, you are the only one expressing this view on here ?
Sure, a few will have had problems - sorted it and moved on.

I think I have mentioned "disrupted" more times than "disgruntled" in the last few posts?Yes of course I have noticed, but there could be a number of reasons for that, perhaps a little like most people in the street do not pile in to break up a fight, and watch from afar or maybe run like hell. Plus I really have no idea how many automatic W10 Anniversary Updates have yet occurred in UK. Do you?

Are you so absolutely sure there aren't a number sat at home unable since W10 Anniversary Update to use their computers to join in the discussion?

You accepted the terms and conditions when you installed windows 10. I suspect that the number who didnt expect to be updated automatically is a LOT less than you think.

You are also a T&Cs drum-banger I see! We do of course get a number of those on this Consumer Website arguing against consumers. I guess you mean, don't click anything until you have scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and read all that small-print (and understood all the nuances too!)?

Yeah, bad habit of mine. I disregard small print when I know what I was sold. I generally only look at it when I find that I was missold because it gives me a good idea of how my adversary really thinks on the particular subject in question. Saves me carrying around in my head every T&C subject under the sun in the anticipation that something related and bad might happen, so I can tell myself I already expected it ... duh!

you wrote:

me wrote:

In a corporate environment, which is I am guessing where a large chunk of those 350 million installations reside -.

Wrong wrong wrong , large corperations NEVER roll out new operating systems across the board until they are proven and tested to work with the current infrastructure and bespoke systems.

Yes yes we know they have licenses which give the corporates total control over when and if they upgrade, and what tailored versions they might upgrade too ... that's why I am saying, it isn't much of an argument for an IT Pro working for a corporate to use in coming here and try to beat down a Home Edition user for saying I didn't have a choice when my PC would suddenly do a massive update of unknown effect!

You will find that most of that 350 million users are infact home users.

You might be right, but where did the 350 million W10 user figure come from? I think I may have been the first to use it in the thread, because I read a commentary about how many installations might ultimately be upgraded to Redstone 1 and presumably Redstone 2 and 3 I think.

Maybe you can provide us with some information about the phased rollout. It started in early August I think? I read that Windows Insiders got the chance first. Who came next? Windows 10 Pro users ? As you say, pros won't update anything until they have tested and are sure or else they'd be sacked. Individuals who have bought Pro edition would seem to have had the choice when to upgrade? When did Home Edition automatic upgrades start? How many have Microsoft attempted so far? How many in UK?

I don't know, but I would imagine that there are more workstations ear-marked for upgrade to the latest W10 in London corporate use than there are Home Edition installations in London. (For example). Maybe nearer half and half? What do you reckon?

And I am allowed to imagine and guess aren't I, same as you if you don't have better figures than me?

Obviously not all the corporates have upgraded yet, and who knows, some may never and skip from Windows 7 straight to whatever is next after W10, or the one after that even!

Do you know if all Home Edition users in the UK should have been updated automatically by now if they have been connected to the internet on a non-metered connection?


mart44, you say you "carried out" the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Did you do it manually at a time to suit you? If it was an automatic upgrade that you did not touch in preparation for the upgrade and all went well, might be useful if you could indicate a bit more. What antivirus/internet security you use, and what sort of hardware, and anything you might offer about non-standard challenges the automatic upgrade would have encountered which you were pleasantly surprised by if it took them in its stride.

Incidentally, mart44, you mention making a clean installation disk, but that's not something we can assume most Home Edition users are capable of anymore. My Asus came with W8.1 pre-loaded, and hey, you guessed it - no external drive capability other than USB or network. Principally, no DVD drive! (and no tape player of course )

Lambyr

agarnett wrote: »

Incidentally, mart44, you mention making a clean installation disk, but that's not something we can assume most Home Edition users are capable of anymore. My Asus came with W8.1 pre-loaded, and hey, you guessed it - no external drive capability other than USB or network. Principally, no DVD drive! (and no tape player of course )

That will be why you can make bootable USB media to install Windows with now.

AndyPix

agarnett wrote: »

Plus I really have no idea how many automatic W10 Anniversary Updates have yet occurred in UK. Do you?

No i dont , but im not the one banging on about it

agarnett wrote: »

Are you so absolutely sure there aren't a number sat at home unable since W10 Anniversary Update to use their computers to join in the discussion??

Nope, im sure there are a few

agarnett wrote: »

You are also a T&Cs drum-banger I see!

Not at all - You complained that you werent informed - I pointed out that you were ..

agarnett wrote: »

Yeah, bad habit of mine. I disregard small print !

Worse habit - Insane ramblings on forum

agarnett wrote: »

try to beat down a Home Edition user for saying I didn't have a choice when my PC would suddenly do a massive update of unknown effect!!

No body beat you down - people tried to help you - NOW you are getting a bit of stick, but that is for your bizzarre ramblings

agarnett wrote: »

Maybe you can provide us with some information about the phased rollout. It started in early August I think? I read that Windows Insiders got the chance first. Who came next? Windows 10 Pro users ? As you say, pros won't update anything until they have tested and are sure or else they'd be sacked. Individuals who have bought Pro edition would seem to have had the choice when to upgrade? When did Home Edition automatic upgrades start? How many have Microsoft attempted so far? How many in UK?!!

No idea, and dont care - google it and find out

agarnett wrote: »

I don't know, but I would imagine that there are more workstations ear-marked for upgrade to the latest W10 in London corporate use than there are Home Edition installations in London. (For example). Maybe nearer half and half? What do you reckon??!!

I reckon you have a wild imagination - I have told you the way corporations handle this already

agarnett wrote: »

And I am allowed to imagine and guess aren't I, same as you if you don't have better figures than me?

Of course you can imagine if you like - But dont post that as fact.
I have worked at Siemens, Shell, the NHS and an unnamed government agency to name a few - and KNOW how they handle OS rollouts

agarnett wrote: »

more jibber jabber!

Bored now