Britain can be better off outside Europe

Kohoutek

AnotherJoe wrote: »

Uk citizens can be extradited even for things that aren't offences in the UK and without any checks on the evidence.

mwpt wrote: »

I never noticed this law. Surprised you did. What happened in your daily life that led you to be concerned about this? Is it even true?

The OP is wrong, extradition can be refused if the offence in question is not also an offence in the UK, it's just not an automatic requirement. As to checks on the evidence, we don't have a requirement to show any evidence for extradition treaties with the US, Canada, New Zealand or Australia.

The European Arrest Warrant is a funny one to moan about - it makes removing foreign criminals from the UK a lot easier to do. Very very few UK nationals are ever extradited - the vast majority is Poles, Romanians etc. You would have thought Brexiteers would be in favour of such a thing. I guess some people are never happy.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

Fortunately many people aren't so selfish as to only consider factors that directly affect them.

So you want to buy a more powerful, energy inefficient vacuum?

Extradition treaties are funny things. The EAW is (or perhaps was in our future) a simplified multi-national extradition treaty. Do you recall the days when our criminals used to flee to the Costa del Sol and it was virtually impossible to get them back? That is what used to happen pre the EAW. Our "sovereign" courts would order the arrest of criminals but they had left these shores.

Look how difficult it was for Brazil to do anything about the Olympic Swimmer and the criminal damage he is alleged to have committed?

You sound as if you would prefer criminals got away with it?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

So you want to buy a more powerful, energy inefficient vacuum?

Extradition treaties are funny things. The EAW is (or perhaps was in our future) a simplified multi-national extradition treaty. Do you recall the days when our criminals used to flee to the Costa del Sol and it was virtually impossible to get them back? That is what used to happen pre the EAW. Our "sovereign" courts would order the arrest of criminals but they had left these shores.

Look how difficult it was for Brazil to do anything about the Olympic Swimmer and the criminal damage he is alleged to have committed?

You sound as if you would prefer criminals got away with it?

I would prefer 10 guilty people went free than one innocent person was found guilty

I would refer trhet UK courts decided on the probabilities that rely on the excellence of the Bulgaria justice system

and for the record, our deal with the USA is unfair too.

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

The myth of the EU scrounger. EU workers contribute more to our economy than they take out.

Another example of liberal type people relying on naive academic research such as that carried out by the EU funded LSE which of course would not have been able to go talk to the Bulgarian or Romanian unemployed fellas working the cash economy and adept at claiming benefits. I'm a Landlord and until recently has a letting agent in my office and saw day in day out the vast pilfering of public resources. As with the referendum being in part due to the liberal class being unaware of public discontent on the ground, people with an in touch sensibility have a far better grasp of the realities of modern Britain

Furthermore the niave liberals argue that these migrants do the low paid jobs we won't do, which of course pay little or no tax, and take out massive resource from NHS to housing benefit, policing to education


Experts that create this garbage surveys are the same smug intelligentsia liberal public funded trough monkeys that gave us project fear Baloney

I have dealt with migrants that contribute but to say they overall contribute is likely to be a bit exaggerated


Real people with real in touch lives see this going on

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would prefer 10 guilty people went free than one innocent person was found guilty

I would refer trhet UK courts decided on the probabilities that rely on the excellence of the Bulgaria justice system

and for the record, our deal with the USA is unfair too.

And for the record, you're not a racist, but you naturally assume the Bulgarian justice system is corrupt because it's Bulgarian?

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

And for the record, you're not a racist, but you naturally assume the Bulgarian justice system is corrupt because it's Bulgarian?

I think it is corrupt because many reports say it is so.
I also believe Italy contains many ma fia and that much of officialdom is similarly infected but not for racist reasons

tell me, were you ever a child protection officer/police/local councillor in Rotherham?

gfplux

For those who want a little more detail on what we will negotiating you should read this.
Published by the UK Government.
It's 180 pages so I wonder if Boris has read it yet.
I have only read the executive summary.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7213

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Fortunately many people aren't so selfish as to only consider factors that directly affect them.

This old chestnut. We've been over it many times. You have no idea about whether the fishing policies are better for everyone or not. The argument that they're bad for our fisherman tugs on your heartstrings, just like immigrants stealing people's jobs, so you react like Pavlov's dog.

Tell me, what in your day to day life was bad? It seems that mostf brexit voters voted because they just cared about other people and the bad things the EU was doing to other people. Where are all these other people to speak for themselves?!!

mwpt

Conrad wrote: »

Real people with real in touch lives see this going on

I'm going to make up whatever I feel like saying is true and it must be true because "real people" say so.

!!!!!!, what is the point in even arguing against a view like this?

I confess, my inner anger with this country is very high at the moment. Brexit seems to have given an excuse for irrational thinking bigots all over to believe their views are the ones that count. No, bigots are still bigots and irrational thinking is wrong. That's why it is called irrational.

And yes, I'm using the word bigot, because many brexit voters are bigots. If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it, but you never did get back to me on why you're suddenly so concerned with not allowing freedom of movement when all this time you've been trying very hard to convince us that is our new found sovereignty and power to forge new deals that is what you wanted. But, was it immigration all along, just like every other bigot?

Eric_the_half_a_bee

mwpt wrote: »

And yes, I'm using the word bigot, because many brexit voters are bigots.

This is irony, I assume?