Britain can be better off outside Europe

wymondham

Conrad wrote: »

When all said and done, why should trade and immigration be insolubly linked? If Merkel plays hard ball (she wont), we can always take our trade deficit elsewhere.

Exactly... we're interested in the original focus of the EU, which was trade and commerce, not the failed social bolt-on aspects which are being peddled as 'mandatory' to spread the responsibility and dilute the blame...

AnotherJoe

Kohoutek wrote: »

How does that work exactly?

The UK ends up buying a lower percentage of its cars from France, Italy and Germany than it did before. A natural consequence of tit for tat import duties.

Or, no barriers to trade, no reduction in amount of EU cars imported.

Their choice.

mwpt

wymondham wrote: »

Exactly... we're interested in the original focus of the EU, which was trade and commerce, not the failed social bolt-on aspects

How have they failed?

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

How have they failed?

I hope that this question is serious. As you should researched the matter well before voting in June. For many people it has. I'll leave it you to do some reading.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I hope that this question is serious. As you should researched the matter well before voting in June. For many people it has. I'll leave it you to do some reading.

The question indicates I do not believe the narrative that the EU has failed nor have the social constructs mentioned.

As much as brexit people want the EU to be a failure, it isn't.

I'm asking for the poster who said it was to elaborate on why, for me, for everyone else who preferred to stay inside the EU, it is a failure. It isn't for us.

Fella

mwpt wrote: »

I'm asking for the poster who said it was to elaborate on why, for me, for everyone else who preferred to stay inside the EU, it is a failure. It isn't for us.

The expansion of the EU to include ever more integration, specifically including the social bolt-on aspects, was the reason people voted to leave. So I'd say it was very definitely a failure, especially for those who wanted to remain.

Herzlos

Haven't we veto'd the integration at pretty much every stage?

I don't think I saw any mention of social bolt-on aspects of the EU until now, though to be fair I never really saw any discussion of how/what the EU was until after the Brexit vote.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Haven't we veto'd the integration at pretty much every stage?

No. A federal Europe was the foundation of the concept. Never ever gone away. Is the only way the EU can function properly. With richer states subsidising the poorer.

Kohoutek

Herzlos wrote: »

Haven't we veto'd the integration at pretty much every stage?

I don't think I saw any mention of social bolt-on aspects of the EU until now, though to be fair I never really saw any discussion of how/what the EU was until after the Brexit vote.

Part of the Cameron deal with the EU was the following:

"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union.”

mrginge

Kohoutek wrote: »

Part of the Cameron deal with the EU was the following:

"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union.”

Utterly meaningless statement.