Restaurants - please ask who gets the tips

Detroit

JReacher1 wrote: »

Has anyone posted any examples of working as a waitress in the US? The only poster who has really posted anything about the US is the one that has admitted she was verbally abused when she didn't tip. You yourself have posted a link that says everyone tips. I dint know why you are now disputing this.

I don't understand how these points are contradictory.

Either everyone tips in the U.S.
OR
$11 per hour is includes tips.

How can you say it's impossible for a waitress to receive a tip from every customer they serve and only earn $11 an hour? There is no reason why both statement can't be true.

You whole reasoning is flawed.

On a side note I don't even know why you've brought this into the argument as it makes no sense.

I'm sorry you don't see the rationale behind what I'm saying. I don't know of another way I can explain.

As the more theoretical points make no sense to you, to return to the main point:

You want to tip waiters because you feel their job is extremely difficult, and they are deserving of extra money because their work is demeaning, and they do it in the U.S. (if it happens there, it must be a good thing, right?) and that's fine. It's your money, your choice.

Other people feel differently for valid reasons, and that's their choice.

Detroit

JReacher1 wrote: »

Ironically the one source you've quoted (the US bureau of labour statistics) says that the hourly wage of waitresses is made up of wage and tips

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/waiters-and-waitresses.htm#tab-5

I look forward you your next attempt to try and contradict this

The article doesn't say wages are made up of wages and tips. The article uses two terms 'wages' and 'earnings'. Wages are the hourly rate paid by the employer, earnings are wages plus tips.

JReacher1

Detroit wrote: »

they do it in the U.S. (if it happens there, it must be a good thing, right?)

It's always obvious when someone is losing an argument as they make stuff up.

When have I ever said that tipping is a good thing because it happens in America? All I have said is that tipping is a way of life in America and their service industry is built around employees receiving tips. There is no relation between tipping in the UK and USA. I thought I made that clear.

I think it's best now to stop talking about this as when posters start going down this route of making stuff up as a way of scoring cheap points its best just to draw a line under it and move on. I don't want to say something I regret so I'll leave you to it.

Have a nice evening

JReacher1

Detroit wrote: »

The article doesn't say wages are made up of wages and tips. The article uses two terms 'wages' and 'earnings'. Wages are the hourly rate paid by the employer, earnings are wages plus tips.

Well done. I was hoping you would admit you were wrong and just accept it! I thought too much of you!

From the article.

"Tipped employees earn at least the federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour, as of July 24, 2009), which may be paid as a combination of direct wages and tips, depending on the state. Direct wages may be as low as $2.13 per hour according to the Fair Labor Standards Act"

theoretica

This recent US article might be of interest http://www.seattletimes.com/business/no-tipping-trend-now-at-more-restaurants-with-mixed-results/

I am surprised by the line "a federal rule that prohibits tip-sharing among all staff members"

Detroit

JReacher1 wrote: »

Well done. I was hoping you would admit you were wrong and just accept it! I thought too much of you!

From the article.

"Tipped employees earn at least the federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour, as of July 24, 2009), which may be paid as a combination of direct wages and tips, depending on the state. Direct wages may be as low as $2.13 per hour according to the Fair Labor Standards Act"

The first paragraph refers to hourly wage and gives the median as being $9 per hour.
This means that if you imagine a line of wages, with the minimum at $2.23 and the maximum at $17, $9 is the middle point.
So while some at the bottom get a wage of the lower amount, those at the top end get a wage at the higher amount.
Direct wages can be as low as $2.13 but this is a lower extreme, with the average wage, from the previous page being $11.

Wages are the amount paid by the employer. Tips are referred to separately as tips, and the two combined are referred to as earnings.

Detroit

JReacher1 wrote: »

Well tipping is a way of life in America and that is the most advanced country in the world.

You said this, right? I didn't make this up?

Detroit

theoretica wrote: »

This recent US article might be of interest http://www.seattletimes.com/business/no-tipping-trend-now-at-more-restaurants-with-mixed-results/

I am surprised by the line "a federal rule that prohibits tip-sharing among all staff members"

That's a really interesting article.

JReacher1

Detroit wrote: »

The first paragraph refers to hourly wage and gives the median as being $9 per hour.
This means that if you imagine a line of wages, with the minimum at $2.23 and the maximum at $17, $9 is the middle point.
So while some at the bottom get a wage of the lower amount, those at the top end get a wage at the higher amount.
Direct wages can be as low as $2.13 but this is a lower extreme, with the average wage, from the previous page being $11.

Wages are the amount paid by the employer. Tips are referred to separately as tips, and the two combined are referred to as earnings.

You're wrong but you're very stubborn so won't admit it. It's how the internet works

So I will end with one final question...., you seem to admit that some waitresses do receive a direct wage of $2.13. You must therefore agree that these people should receive tips as they're on a pittance.

How would you know which American waitresses are on $2.13 and which are on your made up $11 direct wage? I would argue you wouldn't know so should always tip as if the waitress was on $2.13

Therefore your original point which seemed to be that on average American waitresses earn a decent salary is completely irrelevant.

If you can see yourself to agree with me here we can all go to bed

JReacher1

Detroit wrote: »

You said this, right? I didn't make this up?

Yes in a response to another poster who said many advanced countries don't have a tipping culture.