Labour want to ignore the will of the people...

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

so definitely against campaigning to trade with the whole world on an equal basis?

Why would be in the best interests of the UK to "trade with the whole world on an equal basis"?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

California and Australia are thousands of miles away. The EU is only 22. Surely leavers must just be a little worried by now that nothing is going to happen for a very long time.

Calais is 22 miles.

Estonia is over 1,500 miles.

Modern container ships can carry over 13,000 containers. How many deep water ports are there in the EU can handle vessels of this size?

New Panama canal will reduce transport times from Asia.

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

Why would be in the best interests of the UK to "trade with the whole world on an equal basis"?

Do please argue the case for institutional EU racism, to be in our best medium term interest.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

so definitely against campaigning to trade with the whole world on an equal basis?

Definitely for getting the best overall deal for Britain.

Which means keeping as much of the benefits of the EU/Single Market as we can so we can continue to enjoy the best of both Worlds.

p1212

Jason74 wrote: »

So exactly what has the colour of someone's skin got to do with this debate ?. I'm concerned to say the least about why you think this is relevant.

Why are you concerned that much, this is the official name of the ethnicity category in the UK, used million places every day.

You've never filled in a form at the doctor for example? You haven't been concerned there about the "white british" term?

Look, wiki even has maps with ethnicity categories, aren't you concerned?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_London

By the way as I already said I am not white british either, so what is your point exactly?

Update: Ohh I got it, you want to say I am racist as that is the ultimate bremainer reasoning. "Brexiters are racist, so bremainers are right."

Well I have to disappoint you, I am not "white british" either, my best mate is actually of "asian" origin and I have friends from almost all official categories - but they all support immigration so I could not bring them up as group of bremainers who dooesn't want immigration - it's no wonder being first or second generation immigrants themselves... White british is the official name of the only group where I've experienced a lot more rejection towards immigration - I suppose because they are mostly not immigrants.

You have any problem with this? You want their numbers so you can ask them one by one how dare they have their own opinion about immigration?

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

Do please argue the case for institutional EU racism, to be in our best medium term interest.

You'll have to explain what you mean by "institutional EU racism" first. That phrase is so idiosyncratic that it returns precisly zero hits on Google...

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Definitely for getting the best overall deal for Britain.

Which means keeping as much of the benefits of the EU/Single Market as we can so we can continue to enjoy the best of both Worlds.

Free trade is in general beneficial for both partners in trade : this is why free trade with all the countries of the world will be worthwhile.
For poor countries the trade will be proportionately more beneficial which is why it is so tragic that the EU has damaged poor third world African countries for internal political reasons to placate French and German farmers.
There are no economic reasons why trade should suffer in any way between the EU and the UK : however history shows that the EU elite will damage its own for the political objectives of the EU elite.
Certainly not reason why we should not all be better off, especially the poorer developing countries.

Conrad

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, 'German cars' were mentioned in the article too.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/29/voted-out-eu-brexit-hurt-german-vice-chancellor-britain


d.

Well I don't think the German car manufacturers and many other European sectors are just gonna lay down and make a sacrifice, and once again be mindful we too can impose our own tariffs and barriers, deny access to our fishing grounds, say we won't patrol Eastern border states etc etc etc. You guys keep imagining the EU alone holds the power

Let's say tariffs go up all round, the EU will know we will be seeking new trade relationships with the world and so we could start importing on cheaper tariff free terms and the EU loose our custom for good

Ain't gonna happen. They need to show we've been smacked on the bottom lightly, that is all. To avoid contagion new arguments in project fear will be developed along the lines of France is not Britain, it is much more deeply integrated

All will turn out great for us

Conrad

LHW99 wrote: »

Could that be Brexiters....?

Oops, yes, ta.

Conrad

BobQ wrote: »

I for one think we have made a mistake but I accept the result and I still want to see us get the best deal for the country. If every opinion I (or the other 48%) express from now on can be dismissed as those of a Remainer and not treated on its merits we are heading for a very undemocratic society.

y?

Fair enough Bob, lots of Remainers will now want the best deal for Britain, but honestly there won't be another vote anyway.

There are too many things against a second vote, not least the timescale would be too extended, business and the EU would be hanging around in limbo and it would massively weaken our hand if the EU sense they can get away with offering less than would be the case if we show a fortitude in our determination to leave come what may.