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Labour want to ignore the will of the people...
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Partly. My view is that if we can establish what sort of deal we collectively prefer then that would guide what we try to achieve.
Ay present many people (mostly those who voted remain) want relatively little change. Some who voted for Brexit also want relatively little change other than control over our legislation and some limitations on freedom of movement and in particular want to retain access to the single market. I think these form a majority but that is just my opinion.
But a significant number who voted for Brexit want either an end to immigration or for it to be severely constrained. Equally some want a bi-lateral trade deal with the EU that is much the same as with some other non-EU nations like Canada, Australia, US and India which could include some tarrifs.
I am suggesting we should bottom out what the majority would like, not what they will necessarily get. It is not a re-run of the first referendum as some seem determined to suggest, it assumes we will leave and consults us on how we would like this to happen.
Of course there is an argument that there should be no futher consultation with the public. If this was based on the relatively little change approach I have no problem with it.
The whole referendum was very divisive. There will not be a consensus or majority. If you cobble together a dish based on the opinions of 45 million voters, you'll end up with sardines in custard."Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius0 -
Just from that I have picked out seven different options. That's just from your opinion on what people voted for.
How on earth is a referendum to be constructed with so many different views?
Can we tick multiple boxes?
What if there is no majority?
What is the point in voting for an option that may well have no chance of delivery?
Why, if this was such a possibility did we not run the first referendum this way?
Time to put this silliness to bed now. There will be no more referenda in this country for a very long time.
The govt will get on with the job that they are there for.
THat is your view. I see a need for only two options as I have said. Simple binary option.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
The whole referendum was very divisive. There will not be a consensus or majority. If you cobble together a dish based on the opinions of 45 million voters, you'll end up with sardines in custard.
True. But we have apparently chosen to eat meat rather than not to eat meat, but have no consensus on whether we want venison or turkey.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Simple binary option
Wasn't that referendum 1?0 -
maybe you should engage your brain and grow up
views are expressed via voting in both local and national elections, by local constituency parties, and of course by 'public opinion' in the media, opinion polls and more recently by petitions and referendum.
Corbyn, of course also supported some views being expressed via the armalite and the ballot box but I disapprove.
A question of if you ask a stupid question......Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Wasn't that referendum 1?
Yes it was a binary option that told us nothing about how to proceed under the Leave option.
Now the Government must either seek further guidance on how to leave or must make up its own mind about what the nation wanted.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
A further referendum or even a vote in Parliament would be a re-run of project fear, only most of the remain ordinance has already been dropped and is patent nonsense, so they have a very bare cupboard when it comes to arguments for remaining, as Smith and co want us to do. Leave on the other hand has a huge armoury of positive pro trade, prosperity arguments in tact.0
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Leave on the other hand has a huge armoury of positive pro trade, prosperity arguments in tact.
That's a myth.
See sig......“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Hope you keep your sig in place as Brexit prosperity blooms. I don't think Audi will go along with any self harm initiative by the German Govt and Italy will still want us buying millions of bottles of Prosecco.
The Government leaflet advised us 'this is YOUR LAST chance to decide whether we stay in the European Union or leave'.
Any attempt to subvert the meaning of 'leave the EU' would result in a massive lurch to the right. Bring it on baby0 -
Hope you keep your sig in place as Brexit prosperity blooms. I don't think Audi will go along with any self harm initiative by the German Govt and Italy will still want us buying millions of bottles of Prosecco.
The Government leaflet advised us 'this is YOUR LAST chance to decide whether we stay in the European Union or leave'.
Any attempt to subvert the meaning of 'leave the EU' would result in a massive lurch to the right. Bring it on baby
You desire a massive lurch to right wing politics? Am I misinterpreting you?
You mention the "meaning of 'leave the EU'". Is your version of what leaving the EU means more important than mine?0
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