Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yeah. The reason Claptrap votes UKIP is because hes sad there isn't enough African immigration.

He makes a good point. All trading blocks are bad for countries outside of them - and the EU probably is really bad for Africa. Maybe if we didn't have barriers of trade against Africa, we wouldn't have people risking their lives to get across the med.

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Thanks for voting us out of the EU so that we now have no influence whatsoever over any of these things.

I think Corbyn had more of a hand in that than Clapton.

setmefree2

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Hamish lives in Crash Central, he has every right to be negative.....:rotfl:

Aberdeen????????

Enterprise_1701C

setmefree2 wrote: »

Just out of interest, if there was a second referendum would you vote Leave?

Having seen how the EU reacted to the vote, and looking at the way they seem desperate to stop anyone else leaving, I think I would vote leave.

As long as Juncker is in power the EU is holed below the waterline.

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

He makes a good point. All trading blocks are bad for countries outside of them - and the EU probably is really bad for Africa. Maybe if we didn't have barriers of trade against Africa, we wouldn't have people risking their lives to get across the med.

It's a point that would have some credence if

(a) the referendum was anything to do with an exasperation with that the EU wouldn't remove barriers of trade with Africa.

(b) the leave campaigned actually expressed a desire to remove trade barriers with Africa

(c) anyone actually gave a !!!! about people sailing airbeds across the med beyond a desire for them not to end up here.

It's just a response of sorts to the accusations that leave voters were motivated by xenophobia i.e. you might call me a racist but if you look at this way with a squint and suspend belief then you might be a little bit of a racist too.

setmefree2

wotsthat wrote: »

It's a point that would have some credence if

(a) the referendum was anything to do with an exasperation with that the EU wouldn't remove barriers of trade with Africa.

(b) the leave campaigned actually expressed a desire to remove trade barriers with Africa

(c) anyone actually gave a !!!! about people sailing airbeds across the med beyond a desire for them not to end up here.

It's just a response of sorts to the accusations that leave voters were motivated by xenophobia i.e. you might call me a racist but if you look at this way with a squint and suspend belief then you might be a little bit of a racist too.

He makes a very valid point. The ETA is a protectionist club that leaves those outside it at a disadvantage. Until we deal with that - we will have people trying to get across the med on rafts....

As a Remainer did you ever give a thought to Africans...???? I know I didn't.

danothy

mrginge wrote: »

the last thing we want to do is start a negotiation without a solid idea of what was involved

I would have hoped that we could have had a solid idea of what we were actually voting for ... oh I see you've already got that deflection covered:

mrginge wrote: »

If you wish to now move on to moaning about how we should've had this plan outlined before the vote, then please direct your anger at the govt and David Cameron, who had the time and resources to put something even slightly substantial together.

They did have something substantial, it was the concept that we could either remain, or that we could leave. They were clear about what leaving would mean, that we dissolve the agreements we have with the EU. What replaces them, if anything, is really the whole "masters of our own destiny" thing. Weird that the people who want that expected others to plan their mastery of their own destiny for them.

If people thought that the EU dictated to the UK in the past they are in for a sorry shock when they see what the future holds if we try to maintain access to the single market, and they are in for a big dose of reality when they realise the nostalgic years pre-EU aren't all they remember them to be if we don't.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

It's a point that would have some credence if

(a) the referendum was anything to do with an exasperation with that the EU wouldn't remove barriers of trade with Africa.

the referedendum was very much about our ability to negotiate trade with any and all countries including African.

(b) the leave campaigned actually expressed a desire to remove trade barriers with Africa

the issue of reduction (or zero) tariffs was very much an issue

(c) anyone actually gave a !!!! about people sailing airbeds across the med beyond a desire for them not to end up here.

I assume you are talking about your own attitudes

It's just a response of sorts to the accusations that leave voters were motivated by xenophobia i.e. you might call me a racist but if you look at this way with a squint and suspend belief then you might be a little bit of a racist too.

Simply your bigotted view that everyone except yourself is a racist xenophobe;

You admit that you don't personally give a damn about people dying crossing the med and you don't give a damn about the 40 years and more of harm being caused just to placate French and German farmers : that may make you rather unpleasant person but I guess it doesn't count as xenophobia.

Kohoutek

setmefree2 wrote: »

He makes a very valid point. The ETA is a protectionist club that leaves those outside it at a disadvantage. Until we deal with that - we will have people trying to get across the med on rafts....

As a Remainer did you ever give a thought to Africans...???? I know I didn't.

Every country / trading bloc practices protectionism to a degree. You won't find many countries that don't have any trade or regulatory barriers protecting their industries whatsoever.

It's more than a little incoherent for advocates of Brexit to argue that UK farmers should not be protected from cheap food imports from non-EU countries, but certain types of UK workers should be protected more from workers immigrating from other EU countries.

Aberdeenangarse

National borders are "the worst invention ever", European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has claimed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/national-borders-are-the-worst-invention-ever-says-ec-chief-jean-claude-juncker-a7204006.html

After his third large breakfast cognac.