Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

System

Why are my statement's nonsensical? Please state why?

I am only commenting on what is happening in the financial markets which I follow on a daily basis. It's good to see global corporations cutting back on jobs and buying their stock. They dont care about workers, they care more about investors. It's good that the stock is up tho.

N1AK

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

So far things seem to have gone alright and the skies not fallen in.

Nothing has happened so far, we haven't even defined the position we want beyond the extraordinarily vague OUT, haven't begun the negotiation process, and could still be in Europe come the next election.

Even accounting for all that we've seen a sharp decline in the value of our assets (due to the decline in sterling) and we've had a myriad of early economic activity indicators show considerable slowdown though I'll be the first to say that we should wait for a bigger data set to draw any conclusions.

The people feeling smug and arguing that things are find are acting like someone who decided to say that one day in the future they might remove an arm, later clarified that they may just mean hold it to their side for a bit, and then pointed out that they might not do it for 5 years claiming everyone who told him cutting off his arm was a stupid idea was wrong because it's gone alright so far.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It wasn't racist, but you're right I should be careful how I phrase things.

I don't want people to think I'm sinking to your level.

You are in denial : referring to Somalias in that way is a clear racist stereotype.
I guess you don't call the Diane Abbott a racist for saying that some races aren't suitable to be NHS nurses.
There are no racist posts from me, and you are wrong to imply otherwise.

mrginge

N1AK wrote: »

The people feeling smug and arguing that things are find are acting like someone who decided to say that one day in the future they might remove an arm, later clarified that they may just mean hold it to their side for a bit, and then pointed out that they might not do it for 5 years claiming everyone who told him cutting off his arm was a stupid idea was wrong because it's gone alright so far.

The problem with your analogy is that a number of experts told us that our heads would immediately fall off of their own accord if we even dared to contemplate removing an arm.

As far as I can tell we all still have our heads.

N1AK

mrginge wrote: »

The problem with your analogy is that a number of experts told us that our heads would immediately fall off of their own accord if we even dared to contemplate removing an arm.

As far as I can tell we all still have our heads.

I think almost any analogy has flaws. Yours for example falls down in that I don't think anyone suggested we'd have negative consequences for contemplating voting Brexit. My analogy related to the people saying we're doing fine as though it proved the decision they thought the vote represented was fine rather than the accuracy of the predictions made pre-Brexit.

Personally, I think it is fair to give the doom mongers some slack. I think if you'd asked people pre-Brexit vote what they expected to happen before the vote if we voted to leave it would bare little resemblance to what has happened so far.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

The problem with your analogy is that a number of experts told us that our heads would immediately fall off of their own accord if we even dared to contemplate removing an arm.

As far as I can tell we all still have our heads.

My head didn't fall off on the 24th June either - bloody project fear lied about that too.

Do you think you need to move away from your analysis that as the sky hasn't fallen in Brexit will be great?

Who would've thought we'd be pretty much none the wiser what Brexit means two months after the referendum? I think we'll be OKish but there's going to be a price to pay for this continued uncertainty - hope you think its worth it.

Jonbvn

Bremainers will be OK, since they will emigrate to NZ (according to the Grauniad - rolling out it's daily "Brexit = terrible" story).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/22/brexit-sparks-rush-for-new-zealand-as-emigration-inquiries-hit-record-high

Well at least you can hurl insults across the Tasman sea at Gen

setmefree2

mayonnaise wrote: »

You sure about that? :rotfl:

Ha ha - I achieved what I wanted - which is that no poster came up with any evidence that anybody of authority had 100% said there "would" be a recession. Which is how I know that no economist ever said there "would" be a recession.......oh and I couldn't find one either...;)

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

My head didn't fall off on the 24th June either - bloody project fear lied about that too.

Do you think you need to move away from your analysis that as the sky hasn't fallen in Brexit will be great?

That's not my analysis at all. Please don't ascribe views to me that you've just made up in a weak attempt to justify your own view.

Who would've thought we'd be pretty much none the wiser what Brexit means two months after the referendum? I think we'll be OKish but there's going to be a price to pay for this continued uncertainty - hope you think its worth it.

Well personally I thought it would be perfectly obvious to most sensible people that the detail of what our basic negotiating position was going to be would take a good few months to get sorted. And good job too, as the last thing we want to do is start a negotiation without a solid idea of what was involved. I would've thought you'd have the intelligence to see that if we want to minimise the effects of Brexit we should carefully consider the key criteria and factors before heading off en masse to Brussels with a list of demands.

I mean there's obviously a lot of nut job Brexit voters out there that actually think there's 350m available immediately to pay for their dentures, but equally there seems to be a lot of nut job remainers who seem to think that we just magic up a long term economic strategy out of thin air. What worries me most is that a fair few of them seem to occupy this board.

If you wish to now move on to moaning about how we should've had this plan outlined before the vote, then please direct your anger at the govt and David Cameron, who had the time and resources to put something even slightly substantial together.

setmefree2

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

On the whole I think I am glad we are leaving. It may be damaging in the short term, but in the long term we are free to go in our own direction and discover our own future.

Just out of interest, if there was a second referendum would you vote Leave?