Tweeting an abortion

Dill

GwylimT wrote: »

Certainly wasn't when myself and my wife were young, maybe its down to the sort of people you were with? Son in his mid twenties had said he doesn't know anybody like that.

I've amended my post to make it clearer that not everybody thought that way, but a fair number of them certainly did! I knew one who had loads of terminations.

Person_one

Dill wrote: »

I've amended my post to make it clearer that not everybody thought that way, but a fair number of them certainly did! I knew one who had loads of terminations.

You knew one? Oh, well then!

Dill

Person_one wrote: »

Who needs an excuse? Why are moral ideas such as 'excuses' even coming into it? How is it relevant? Why does it matter when discussing access to legal abortion services?

I genuinely don't know why the idea of taking responsibility for oneself is so anathema to some?

(acknowledging that contraception in a very small number of cases can fail)

missbiggles1

Person_one wrote: »

For many women of your generation, it was. It didn't just not happen! I'm the great-granddaughter of a single teenage mother, and the granddaughter of a couple who had a shotgun wedding and a baby soon after.

There have been unmarried and teenage mothers in every generation of my family, in every decade of this century and the last. There was no golden age when women were perfect.

You're going OT with that argument, I wasn't saying that there were no teenage pregnancies in the past, particularly (as would've been the case with your relatives) there was no reliable contraception available to them.

However, once these methods of contraception became available, those of us whose lives and families would've been wrecked by pregnancy used these methods scrupulously, as many people still do.

Why you're encouraging women to be irresponsible about this and making excuses for them, just defeats me. If you tell people it's normal to be careless, you can't be surprised when they are.

Dill

Person_one wrote: »

You knew one? Oh, well then!

Why did you only read (or quote) that part of the post. And not the part where I said a fair number of them did.

You are losing this argument, I think

Dill

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Why you're encouraging women to be irresponsible about this and making excuses for them, just defeats me. If you tell people it's normal to be careless, you can't be surprised when they are.

Hopefully she only says it on here, and not in real life :eek::rotfl:

Person_one

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Why you're encouraging women to be irresponsible about this and making excuses for them, just defeats me. If you tell people it's normal to be careless, you can't be surprised when they are.

You'll have to point out where I'm doing that...

All I'm doing is questioning why every discussion about abortion turns so quickly to dismissing women who have them as irresponsible, and insinuating that they could have prevented their situation.

We don't expect human beings to be perfect in any other situation after all.

missbiggles1

Person_one wrote: »

For many women of your generation, it was. It didn't just not happen! I'm the great-granddaughter of a single teenage mother, and the granddaughter of a couple who had a shotgun wedding and a baby soon after.

There have been unmarried and teenage mothers in every generation of my family, in every decade of this century and the last. There was no golden age when women were perfect.

A woman who starts having sex at 16, or even 18 or 21, and remains fertile until she is nearly 50 has to manage her contraception for 30 or more years. She has to keep on top of it through all variety of illness, through bereavement, work stress, divorce, while looking after newborns, or teenagers, while travelling between time zones, while in all sorts of happy and unhappy relationships, while she has a great GP and when she can't see one for love nor money, while caring for disabled or elderly relatives, through poverty, unemployment and every other one of a thousand things that happen to human beings and might just distract them from taking one pill out of 30 years worth.

Who is helped by the idea that women who have abortions are just not being perfect enough?

Thank you for the explanation - ever heard the expression about grandmothers and sucking eggs?

Person_one

Dill wrote: »

Why did you only read (or quote) that part of the post. And not the part where I said a fair number of them did.

You are losing this argument, I think

I'm sure you think that I am, but this isn't just an argument on a forum, this is something real women in difficult circumstances have to put up with so I can never just ignore it.

GwylimT

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Why you're encouraging women to be irresponsible about this and making excuses for them, just defeats me. If you tell people it's normal to be careless, you can't be surprised when they are.

Virgin births?