Brexit means Brexit

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I'd like to see this argument addressed. It seems certain brexit voters hold the UK in such high regard that the EU will bend over backward, possibly sowing the seeds of its own destruction by offering the UK a better deal outside the EU than inside. Seems very unlikely to me.

If I were a brexit person, I'd be focusing on how we can make the most of the new found "control" to forge trade agreements with other nations and forget trying to talk down the EU, free movement, etc, all the time.

we know that the EU will not act in a economically rational way. It will act in a 'rational' political way.
We know this because we have more that 40 years of mad economic policies that have harmed the people of the EU and the poor peoples of the African countries by it economically illiterate agricultural policies and the shocking was that Greece and the other south European are being sacrificed for German and French political advantage.

I don't know what will happen over the next 2-3-4 years in Europe but if Germany and France start to turn down economically then their politics may favour maintaining trade will the UK at present levels.

savings_my_hobby

BobQ wrote: »

Well I o not think Westminster can keep the UK in the EU without a second referendum. Legally they can if that was in the manifesto of a GE winning party. My point is if during the negotiations the EU wanted to do something creative that would see us remain, what would it take to make the UK Government say " this is a material difference, we need a second referendum"

I have given an example but I am asking what would warrant a second referendum, not if the change is likely to happen.

referendum or neverendum? Brexit means Brexit, we won.

Conrad

I posted shortly after the vote that I expect a free trade deal will be delivered as its in all parties interests, possibly with something along the lines of a points based quota on immigration.

I think we should forget the SM, the benefits of which are at best marginal an easily counter balanced by the many trading benefits freedom will bestow

Gangaweed

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why would the EU do anything at all. Would totally undermine the project. Also give ammunition to other factions in Europe who are disenchanted at the current time.

This just simply proves that the EU is an undemocratic organisation. Rules are more important then pragmatic solutions. The very fact that elements are saying that Britain must suffer are showing what a failed project the EU is - if the only way to keep people in is by threats then that shows there are no benefits.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

we know that the EU will not act in a economically rational way. It will act in a 'rational' political way.
We know this because we have more that 40 years of mad economic policies that have harmed the people of the EU and the poor peoples of the African countries by it economically illiterate agricultural policies and the shocking was that Greece and the other south European are being sacrificed for German and French political advantage.

By the same measure we know the UK will act in a rational political way. We know this because they've been active participants in the horrors you describe for over 40 years. It shouldn't be forgotten that the whole referendum was a political play in the first place.

Of course we're better than them so who knows what might happen.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

By the same measure we know the UK will act in a rational political way. We know this because they've been active participants in the horrors you describe for over 40 years. It shouldn't be forgotten that the whole referendum was a political play in the first place.

Of course we're better than them so who knows what might happen.

your constant racism is off putting.

mayonnaise

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

referendum or neverendum? Brexit means Brexit, we won.

Did you buy the t-shirt?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Did you buy the t-shirt?

Ah yes, that campaign which was started by - let me see now - yup; the REMAIN camp!

The entire Remain campaign was based on a pack of lies. Most of the scares have already been exposed. But by haunting immigrants with fears of being deported, and thus whipping up race-based hysteria, they have one last card to play in their shameful effort to smash the democratic will of the people

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6362/lying_remain_camp_responsible_for_eruption_of_racism

You see, the Leave camp stated that it wished to curb immigration; not send any migrants back.

Or do you really want to try and deny that there are idiots on both sides?

Masomnia

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah yes, that campaign which was started by - let me see now - yup; the REMAIN camp!

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6362/lying_remain_camp_responsible_for_eruption_of_racism

You see, the Leave camp stated that it wished to curb immigration; not send any migrants back.

Or do you really want to try and deny that there are idiots on both sides?

The PMI figures that Mayo was so looking forward to didn't go his way so presumably this is just an attempt to distract from that.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Masomnia wrote: »

The PMI figures that Mayo was so looking forward to didn't go his way so presumably this is just an attempt to distract from that.

What, since the Eurozone's PMI has reduced a little at the same time you mean?
With France & now Italy sub-50?
Yes, I guess that would do it.


http://uk.businessinsider.com/markit-manufacturing-pmis-for-august-2016-9