Brexit means Brexit

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Your question (your question) was where the funding went not who did the work.

I have quoted data to address your challenge. Are you still suggesting the information is wrong?

my question was

how long was the EU funding guarenteed for ?
do you have a reference for the opinion that funding from the EU fund was weighted in favour of the UK
can you say how much of this funding went to UK citizens and how much to EU citizens (while working in the UK)

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

my question was

how long was the EU funding guarenteed for ?

That depends on the specific grant given.

do you have a reference for the opinion that funding from the EU fund was weighted in favour of the UK

I have given you the facts which come from the Royal Society.
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/

can you say how much of this funding went to UK citizens and how much to EU citizens (while working in the UK)

Grants are made to projects at universities, research institues etc not individuals

You have still posted no answers to these questions, just disputed my statements without an argument and called me bigotted. I am happy to be proved wrong......

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

That depends on the specific grant given.



I have given you the facts which come from the Royal Society.
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/



Grants are made to projects at universities, research institues etc not individuals

You have still posted no answers to these questions, just disputed my statements without an argument and called me bigotted. I am happy to be proved wrong......

ALL research funding in the UK derides from the UK taxpayer.
Some takes a circular route (with obvious waste and costs) and arrives back on our shores.
Much of this money is spent on non UK nationals and so does not benefit the UK : just because is is laundered through UK unis doesn't mean it contributes to the people of the UK.

The EU has a huge expensive and un-necessary bureaucracy that would better to abolished. You claim that the UK gets more than its fair share so presumably you celebrate the fact that the smaller countries get less than their fair share : nothing wrong with greed I suppose.

The UK was the second largest recipient in
absolute terms after Germany in the most
recent Framework Programme (FP7). If
structural funds are taken into account, Poland
is ranked second and the UK fourth. In the
UK, universities are by far the most successful
in attracting Framework Programme funding,
taking 71% of the total funds awarded to the
UK during Framework Programme 71
. UK
businesses attracted 18%2. By contrast, if we
consider the distribution of where research
and development is conducted in the UK;
64% conducted by businesses and 26% in
universities3

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy/projects/eu-uk-funding/uk-membership-of-eu.pdf

michaels

Brexit means brexit - The PM has said so.

However it may not mean the end of substantial migration from the EU
Nor the single market (so no UK trade deals with other countries)
And no doubt soon it will not actually mean any change in Britain's EU contributions (perhaps they will be 'halved' by being quoted net instead of gross?)
Has opting out from the ECHR (EU courts have premacy over UK courts) been quietly dropped?
And we just need to declare that whilst the UK parliament will be sovereign this is only in areas where it has not sovereignly decided to grant competency to the EU.

and there we have it, Brexit means Brexit....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37270060

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

Brexit means brexit - The PM has said so.

However it may not mean the end of substantial migration from the EU
Nor the single market (so no UK trade deals with other countries)
And no doubt soon it will not actually mean any change in Britain's EU contributions (perhaps they will be 'halved' by being quoted net instead of gross?)
Has opting out from the ECHR (EU courts have premacy over UK courts) been quietly dropped?
And we just need to declare that whilst the UK parliament will be sovereign this is only in areas where it has not sovereignly decided to grant competency to the EU.

and there we have it, Brexit means Brexit....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37270060

.....you can check out but you can never leave......welcome to the hotel EU...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

michaels wrote: »

Brexit means brexit - The PM has said so.

However it may not mean the end of substantial migration from the EU
Nor the single market (so no UK trade deals with other countries)
And no doubt soon it will not actually mean any change in Britain's EU contributions (perhaps they will be 'halved' by being quoted net instead of gross?)
Has opting out from the ECHR (EU courts have premacy over UK courts) been quietly dropped?
And we just need to declare that whilst the UK parliament will be sovereign this is only in areas where it has not sovereignly decided to grant competency to the EU.

and there we have it, Brexit means Brexit....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37270060

it may not

As in might, or might not.
Hardly conclusive.
Despite what good ol' Auntie Beeb and others may hint at.

BobQ

michaels wrote: »

Brexit means brexit - The PM has said so...........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37270060

This is just the BBC splitting hairs.

I am not a May fan but I think she is a fairly straight talker. "Brexit means Brexit" is quite clear. It is a phrase intended to indicate: Britain voted to leave the EU and that means we will leave the EU.

If there is an undertone to that message it is that at the end of the process we will no longer be a member of the EU, but that apart everything is negotiable.

We might have controlled immigration, we might not; we might have repealed all EU Law or we might not; we might still be part of an EU free trade area or we might not; we might have some form of freedom of movement or we might not. But whatever we have we will be outside the EU.

prowla

michaels wrote: »

Brexit means brexit - The PM has said so.

However it may not mean the end of substantial migration from the EU
Nor the single market (so no UK trade deals with other countries)
And no doubt soon it will not actually mean any change in Britain's EU contributions (perhaps they will be 'halved' by being quoted net instead of gross?)
Has opting out from the ECHR (EU courts have premacy over UK courts) been quietly dropped?
And we just need to declare that whilst the UK parliament will be sovereign this is only in areas where it has not sovereignly decided to grant competency to the EU.

and there we have it, Brexit means Brexit....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37270060

We just need to figure out how much we'll charge the EU for access into our single market.

N1AK

Meanwhile in Brexit land...

prowla wrote: »

We just need to figure out how much we'll charge the EU for access into our single market.

If you're going to imagine up nonsense then why think so small? Surely we could charge them £1,000,000,000 for every flight over British territory and no British person will ever need work again. Add on the fortune we can demand for allowing them to use English and we could all live like kings :beer:

yessuz

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So you think that the UK should sign a deal that will result in inflated energy prices for all of us? Currently around £36 per megawatt hour. The Chinese will receive a guaranteed £92.50p.

Rather than rant about Brexit. Focus on the real issues.

Here you talk about subsidised power price for Baseload energy.

Currently, wind and solar receive subsidies in total way above £100/mwh