Brexit means Brexit

yessuz

CLAPTON wrote: »

how long was the EU funding guarenteed for ?
do you have a reference for the opinion that funding from the EU fund was weighted in favour of the UK
can you say how much of this funding went to UK citizens and how much to EU citizens (while working in the UK)

Immigrants from Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia contributed almost £5billion more in taxes between 2000 and 2011 than they took out in benefits and use of public services.

yessuz

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

Here is another simple question;

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

The answer was pretty straight forward too.

Everyone expected the EU to offer a last minute upgrade to Cameron's so called reforms, they did not, they were too tight. They could not even give the man what he asked for in the first place... which wasn't much.
This served only to prove people like Nigel Farage right when he said all along that you cannot reform the EU.

If Cameron would have got proper controls on immigration, made our courts supreme over the laws that govern us and secured an enhanced rebate then we could have all remained, but he did not even ask, he thought it would be better to ask for little and get less than to ask for what Britain needed and get told no, which the EU certainly would have told him no because their modus operandi dictates it.

I find it remarkable that people will like you would sell this country down the river for the sake of convenience. Future generations may never know just how close they were to being denied democracy, but we can measure it in votes and percentages... need I remind you? I think I do here it is;

Leave 17,410,742 51.89%
Remain 16,141,241 48.11%

if we had remained our Westminster parliament would be no more authoritative in relation to the EU commission than Lincolnshire county council is over Westminster, reduced to a devolved state.

No wonder remain opted for project fear you cannot form a positive argument for that shambles they call the EU.

but if, as Clapton Said, there would be up to 10M of Immigrants in UK, there are just above 3M of them from EU, Meaning that the rest are from non-EU, meaning EU had no controls on how UK will act regarding them.

CLAPTON

yessuz wrote: »

Immigrants from Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia contributed almost £5billion more in taxes between 2000 and 2011 than they took out in benefits and use of public services.

what's this to do with research funding?

yessuz

CLAPTON wrote: »

what's this to do with research funding?

because then, part of of those 5 billion could be diverted to research funding? quite obvious.

Moby

Its simple really. No one knows yet what the Brexit final deal is so yes we'll need another referendum to rubber stamp it. Its democratic accountability. This issue is so massive that one referendum heavily dominated by the immigration issue is not enough and does not reflect the range of views in the country.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Its simple really. No one knows yet what the Brexit final deal is so yes we'll need another referendum to rubber stamp it. Its democratic accountability. This issue is so massive that one referendum heavily dominated by the immigration issue is not enough and does not reflect the range of views in the country.

Agree with this,
The real negotiation begins when you vote out, thats the way the EU works. The political class here and in Europe are gearing up for the mother of all fudges, IMO.

mwpt

Tromking wrote: »

Agree with this,
The real negotiation begins when you vote out, thats the way the EU works. The political class here and in Europe are gearing up for the mother of all fudges, IMO.

Except, it won't be a fudge. Whatever deal we agree with the EU, there were only two options on the ballot paper. Out is out, innit.

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

Its simple really. No one knows yet what the Brexit final deal is so yes we'll need another referendum to rubber stamp it. Its democratic accountability. This issue is so massive that one referendum heavily dominated by the immigration issue is not enough and does not reflect the range of views in the country.

No we don't.
And you're not getting one.
Move one.

Masomnia

I don't think there should be a second referendum as I don't see how it can be won. There are too many differing views to get a conclusive result. A lot of remain voters will vote 'no' to any agreement, and a lot of leave voters won't agree if they don't think that controls on immigration are strong enough, or if they still feel we've given up too much to the single market.

That being said if we do agree to single market access and free movement a lot of leave voters may well call for a further referendum!

And then what happens if the deal is rejected? Do we remain being members despite an out vote earlier and wasting two years of negotiating? Or do we humbly ask the EU for further rounds of talks and a further vote?

mayonnaise

Masomnia wrote: »

That being said if we do agree to single market access and free movement a lot of leave voters may well call for a further referendum!

Tough. They're not getting one.
Leaving the EU, but keeping free movement and single market access would be sufficient to comply with the merely advisory nature of the referendum. And let's not forget the question that was on the ballot.