An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Ha, yes. Like Philip Green, Tory patron who gutted British Home Stores, robbed its workers of their pensions and parks his billions in an offshore tax haven.

Or the Directors of Lloyds, grasping for public bailouts, making hundreds of millions in profit and then closing branches and sacking hundreds of counter staff.

Meanwhile social inequality is at its worst for 30 years, the welfare state is being dismantled and the young are crippled by debt.

But thats fine, because privileged Middle Class people in the Home Counties have had a good look around the Home Counties and concluded that the privileged Middle Class is just fine.

And you can stick your Victoria sponges and your "win the most knobbly marrow tombolas."

You're so angry and conflicted.

Philip Green is not representative the people you hate. Nor the directors of Lloyds. The people on this forum who voted Conservative but are generally nice and giving people are the target of your hate. Philip Green and the directors of Lloyds are not the middle class.

Clearly you're engaged in the politics of envy.

Like I said before, you lead the way, get in an internet cafe, post a picture of a receipt for the sale of goods of every item you own that you don't need to survive, and the receipt for the deposit of the monies raised into a charity. Have other supporters of wealth re-distribution do the same. Have a race to the bottom amongst your like minded folk, see what happens to their staunch beliefs then.

The far left is riddled with hypocrisy. You're welcome to speak to my wife about what it's like to live under communist rule. Where some are more equal than others. The system doesn't work, which is why the Soviet Union failed.

The centre ground is the sensible political stance, a little bit of both aspects, Blair for all his faults realised this and Labour got into power. Moving away from the centre-left will condemn Labour to the wilderness and you'll get nothing apart from memories of failure.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

The fundamental mistake in the Far Left's outlook is demonstrated so comprehensively by ruggedtoast on this thread: if you don't think and vote exactly the same as me then you're the personification of all human evil.

The trouble is, the vast numbers of citizens who happen to vote differently are not hateful caricatures; drowning kittens off superyachts, pouring acid over their emaciated millhands for a laugh, driving diamond-encrusted limos over the homeless etc. They're just ordinary people who don't vote the same as you.

There is another leftist view, slightly more charitable, that the "others" aren't perhaps outright wicked, but are just too thick to see the light the righteous are spreading. They need re-educating, or perhaps their votes removing.

Based on the evidence of the referendum and last election, neither of these approaches will be successful with the British public.

seven-day-weekend

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You have been very fortunate to have been elevated to a privileged position where you have been able to pay eye watering amounts of tax while other people line up at food banks.

Its now time for you to pay back.

But setmefree IS paying back - they are paying loads of tax AND giving generously to charity!

What are you doing?

TrickyTree83

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

But setmefree IS paying back - they are paying loads of tax AND giving generously to charity!

What are you doing?

Militating on behalf of the poor, but not turning his/her moral mirror on himself/herself.

The hypocrisy is fully justified in his/her eyes because he/she is militating on behalf of the poor.

Part of a self-proclaimed 'progressive' movement marching behind the banner of social justice whilst protecting it's own privileges.

Which is why anyone who can see this for what it is will never vote for it.

Fella

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Ha, yes. Like Philip Green, Tory patron

Actually it's Sir Philip Green. Labour gave him a Knighthood.

ruggedtoast

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Hi Rugged.

Quick question - you really seem to have it in for folk you consider wealthy. Given that your Dear Leader appears not to consider himself wealthy, on a salary of about £138,000, a reported pension pot of £1.6m and seemingly owning a £600k property, at what level of income and asset ownership do you consider "wealthy" to begin? Is he a parasite on the neck of society too?

Careful with the answer now, I'm sure you wouldn't want to contradict your Dear Leader. If JC isn't "wealthy" on that level of economic security, he must be unbelievably incompetent with his own finances. Frankly, if he's not wealthy enough to attract your wealth envy, it will be a long, long time before you can criticise many contributors to this site, let alone demand extra taxation from them or presumably, go for the next logical step in the "envy" stakes, the confiscation of assets.

WR

Well, I guess he is still a boomer. You do seem to have a different understanding of privilege to everyone else.

seven-day-weekend

Jeremy Corbyn is the same age as my husband, about nine months older than me, so yes, he is a 'boomer' and he is considerably wealthier than either myself or my husband, so if we should 'count our privilege' then so should he.

I wonder (I may be wrong), if he gives as much to charity, either in time or money, as some of the people on here who you have accused of not caring for the poor? I would bet on him not doing so if I were a betting person.

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ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well, I guess he is still a boomer. You do seem to have a different understanding of privilege to everyone else.

Ahhhh - so Corbyn is a "boomer" - does that make him the enemy?

As for my views, well, Corbyn is the one who seems to believe that someone on 5 times the average UK 2016 wage isn't wealthy. I'd certainly claim that he is considerably more wealthy than me. Is he more privileged than me? Absolutely. I'm living on a pension - even when I was working, my salary was nothing like his, and my home is worth a lot less than his. Yet he says that he doesnt think he is wealthy. Do you agree with him? Do you think he is wealthy? Straightforward question, surely?

So how much extra tax, either on income or property (or both), do you insist that your leader should pay? Percentages, thresholds, bands, you know - these things that might give me a glimpse of the kind of society you want for everyone? Some specifics would be nice - or do you only like slogans?

If you don't think that someone with his income and assets ought to be squeezed until the pips squeak, I reckon that the vast majority of folk on this site - Labour supporters or not - are pretty safe from your redistribution of wealth. Wouldn't you agree?

WR

seven-day-weekend

Have you seen his latest scheme? Absolutely beggars belief:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/02/corb/yn-wants-to-ban-sexist-after-work-drinks-for-quite-sexist-reason-6105449

This man has absolutely no idea. Never mind the irrelevant issue of defending our country, let's do something REALLY important.

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seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Have you seen his latest scheme? Absolutely beggars belief:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/02/corb/yn-wants-to-ban-sexist-after-work-drinks-for-quite-sexist-reason-6105449

This man has absolutely no idea. Never mind the irrelevant issue of defending our country, let's do something REALLY important.

:rotfl:

Just ......

:rotfl: :T


"Jeremy Corbyn has said after-work drinks are ‘sexist’ and should be banned, because women will ‘obviously want to look after their children"

Sex stereotyping or what?:eek:

What? No more sessions in the pub after a hard day selling the Socialist Worker discussing how to undermine international capitalism (while consuming products supplied by Diagio)?

He is so out of touch with the rest of the planet, I have the distinct feeling that gravity has no effect on him!

Did I just see Rugged running for cover..........?

WR