An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Step 1 ) Was to totally demonise the leader ( Salmond in the previous case )

Step 2 ) Was to flood the mainstream media with so much anti-independence/Corbyn rhetoric that people leaning that way took to social media and blogs to interact with each other.

Step 3) Was to start demonising those that took part in social media. Cybernats/Corbynista's/Cults/Dear Leader etc.

These people above start losing faith in the press and the general media. And on public commentary areas and forums like these are simply dismissed as nutters. You can see the above happening with ruggedtoast. Who has gone from ruggedtoast to 'toastie' as I went from Shakethedisease to STD ( <-- which I found funny ).

Now Corbyn might not win in 2020, but all the signs for me are there of at least the possibility of some big surprises. Salmond went from a lost cause at 28% for independence in 2011 to 45% in 2014 with the full weight of UK media 24/7 and every other political party against. Khan's intervention I can assure you has simply hardened Corbyn's support further. And the next time he appears anywhere, there will be twice as many there as the last time. Rinse and repeat for the next few years. Unlike Salmond who plodded on appearing and getting pelters every time he appeared on tv or interviewed in the press, Corbyn seems to have given up on MSM already which is probably a good thing. He can't do anything right so why bother trying. He's there for the long haul though, once he wins. He'll drag Labour left in the process. Then make way for a new leader that doesn't think abstaining on Welfare Bill's is a good thing to do <-- why Corbyn won largely in the first place.

This isn't even factoring in the Tories making any blunders, particularly on Brexit and the potential for in-fighting there. 2020 is eons away in political terms.

Rather than over analyse. Ask yourself some questions. Why has somebody that's been an MP for 32 years never been a cabinet member. Would the electorate trust in / vote for someone that's voted against their own party policy over 500 times. There in lies the answer.

Salmond wasn't demonised. He simply choose to ignore the questions asked, and spin the media to another topic (the NHS). The downfall of many politicians inevitably is their own words. As they will come back to haunt them one day. Which makes their position totally untenable.

ruggedtoast

Wild_Rover wrote: »

OK, OK........ I'll ask again - life's too short, so I'll ask one more time.

Are you actually interested in winning elections, or do you just want control of the Labour Party? How will you react when Corbyn's Labour Party (maybe he'll actually change the Party's name?) is ridiculed by the electorate?

You are the one who, I would respectfully suggest, ought to be thinking about how to achieve the implementation of policies you favour, for the simple reason that at the moment you have practically no power whatsoever. You are the one who needs to convince others, not that Corbyn can win the leadership of political party, but that he can become Prime Minister. Not the same thing at all. You MUST see that, surely?

I'm the kind of voter Labour needs to attract. How are you going to do that? Home owner. No debt. Early retired living on pension. When I started working my income tax rate was 30%. I now pay tax on my pension above the personal allowance at 20%. How high do you think that rate should be next year? Or.... perhaps the opinions of folk like me don't count? Perhaps not; if you have no regard for the views of a Labour Mayor of London or dozens of Labour MPs, I suppose there's no reason for you to have regard for the views of anyone else....... except, of course when you are fighting for votes.

Then again, given your obvious dislike (and that's putting it mildly) for differing opinions, I am left with the distinct impression that winning elections is not your top priority. I'm not convinced that attracting votes bothers you in the least. I would respectfully refer you to the questions I asked at the start of this post.

WR

The last thing Labour needs to do is go back to relying on the votes of a diminishing number of right wing boomers.

seven-day-weekend

Wild_Rover wrote: »

How did you know? Got a bed settee in it, but the room is tiny........ somewhere to hide when Mrs Wild Rover is watching Corrie and son 1 or son 2 is in the conservatory.

Must go now, it's the butler's day off and his usual stand in, the head gardener, has a bad back. I'll have to try to figure out how the electric kettle works ..........

WR

My husband says I bet you don't even have to pay bedroom tax, you swine.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

You sir, are nothing but a facist right-wing boomer.

How dare you own property and cream off money from the people by claiming a pension. Disgusting.

When our resident people's poet and his band of unwashed student liberators get hold of you, they'll tear down your capitalist den and turn it into a organic potato factory where the true workers can spend all day peeling manky spuds for sod all, while singing happily about how the great Jeremy freed us all from the misery of blairite doctrine.

Viva la revolucion

You may well be reported for breaking the rules. There is bound to be copyright on this acidic style.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Rather than over analyse. Ask yourself some questions. Why has somebody that's been an MP for 32 years never been a cabinet member. Would the electorate trust in / vote for someone that's voted against their own party policy over 500 times. There in lies the answer.

Because you aren't voting for one person, you're voting for a party with a set of policies. There is little point I'd imagine in voting for a Labour party that is trying to punt policies that have little difference to that which the Tory party is offering. Indeed, this is exactly what happened in 2010 and 2015.

People that support Corbyn, see little point in endorsing a leader and a set of policies which continue in the same vein Miliband did. If people want a set of Conservative style policies, they just vote Conservative, as they did both in 2010 and 2015.

Salmond wasn't demonised. He simply choose to ignore the questions asked, and spin the media to another topic (the NHS). The downfall of many politicians inevitably is their own words. As they will come back to haunt them one day. Which makes their position totally untenable.

Salmond was demonised. His supporters painted as some sort of evil weird cult online and that they addressed him as Dear Leader.

He was used in exactly the same way during the 2015 GE too with huge billboard posters depicting him as a pickpocket and thief. He's never had any chance to 'spin' in the media because there isn't any large mainstream media outlet that endorses the SNP. In fact in recent years the SNP and their leaders must be the most closely scrutinised political party in the UK. They only have to look at someone the wrong way for it to be headline news. While the other parties get away with murder, glossed over and shoved under the carpet.

*scroll past if not interested in Scottish based news.

There's a media storm in Scotland at the moment because a leading columnist from STV has been 'removed'. Two SNP MP's raised question marks of twitter over his over enthusiastic endorsement of a tweeter who regularly calls Female MP's from all parties 'torn faced ***ts.'. and such like, comments on Israel and abortion freely. He's an STV news editor with the STV news brand on his profile ! But now we have most of the chattering commentariats up in arms because we now apparently live in North Korea. It was STV staff themselves that raised concerns but that hasn't stopped the smears and fact free inches in newspapers today and the preceding days.

If this had been an SNP associate tweeting things like that. We all know it would've been front page hysterical news for WEEKS. Corbyn is getting exactly the same treatment, but unlike Salmond, is choosing not to engage which must be frustating for them, but it does mean that they get to make up what they like.

I see Khan was roundly booed when mentioned at Corbyn's rally tonight. A lot of them citing they voted for him because of Corbyn and how betrayed they feel.

ffacoffipawb

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Owen Smith is only going to face exactly the same treatment as Corbyn is getting now from the media if he wins. Let's not pretend otherwise. Being Welsh and .....

He may sound Welsh, but he was born in Morecambe. That makes him English, regardless of the nationality of his father.

ruggedtoast

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

He may sound Welsh, but he was born in Morecambe. That makes him English, regardless of the nationality of his father.

You can't sound Welsh and be English. It's impossible.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Because you aren't voting for one person, you're voting for a party with a set of policies.

Rather a conundrum for the Labour party then. As Corbyn refuses to resign. Salmond at least walked the plank to save his own face.

fatbeetle

Jeremy Corbyn has said he would look to bolster the bargaining powers of trade unions if he wins the leadership vote. Announcing a raft of reform plans, Mr Corbyn said he wanted to "democratise our country from the ground up". He said a Labour government would introduce "new collective and individual rights" for employees with the aim of giving people a "real say" against "boardrooms that control them".

I remember the "winter of discontent", it wasn't much fun. Comrade Corbyn wants us to go back to that.

posh*spice

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

He may sound Welsh, but he was born in Morecambe. That makes him English, regardless of the nationality of his father.

He speaks with a welsh accent - that majes him Welsh. Sadly so did Neil Kinnock....