An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

Thrugelmir

He said a Labour government would introduce "new collective and individual rights" for employees with the aim of giving people a "real say" against "boardrooms that control them".

Boardrooms have legal, fiduciary, health and safety responsibilities for starters. Who is going to train employees to be "board members" and how long will it take? Another non starter. No doubt will appeal to the unions though.

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Er, capitalism is an economic system not an ideology. I have no problem with capitalism, I have a problem with neoliberalism.

You are confusing socialism with communism.

Spoken like a true .... Errrr Lib Dem.... I know you are a newbie but Socialists always have a problem with Capitalism.... Get with the program RT

Shakethedisease

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

He may sound Welsh, but he was born in Morecambe. That makes him English, regardless of the nationality of his father.

It doesn't matter if he was born in Timbuktu and speaks with a deep Aussie accent. He's a WELSH MP. Representing Welsh constituents. He won't be able to vote in all Parliamentary votes even if he's PM due to EVEL. The press would have an absolute ball with that one.

Miliband was warned again and again during the Scottish thing while he gloried in warm words, high praise and all round media support spouting announcements about putting armed guards on the border.... that as soon as they referendum was over, they would turn the turrets onto him. And turn they certainly did. The same would be true of Owen Smith. They'd never let the Welsh MP/EVEL thing go, and that recent comment about ISIS would be played on loop in the run up to the next GE.

At least Corbyn has had the sense to not engage from the start and ignore it.

The Labour Party has to change first before it can persuade voters to it's new policies. This is a transitional phase imo.

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ruggedtoast wrote: »

The last thing Labour needs to do is go back to relying on the votes of a diminishing number of right wing boomers.

Thanks for the non-answer. It entitles me and anyone else to draw conclusions.

Quick summary -

Are you interested in winning general elections (and thus securing power by democratic means)? No reply.

Are you really only interested in taking over the Labour Party? No reply.

As I stated, I'll draw my own conclusions.

WR

ruggedtoast

posh*spice wrote: »

Spoken like a true .... Errrr Lib Dem.... I know you are a newbie but Socialists always have a problem with Capitalism.... Get with the program RT

You can fling insults around but if you want to discuss political theory you might do better if you knew something about it.

Capitalism is not a political ideology and is not incompatible with socialism.

ruggedtoast

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Thanks for the non-answer. It entitles me and anyone else to draw conclusions.

Quick summary -

Are you interested in winning general elections (and thus securing power by democratic means)? No reply.

Are you really only interested in taking over the Labour Party? No reply.

As I stated, I'll draw my own conclusions.

WR

Great. You clearly need something to occupy those long days.

Have you considered lawn bowls? I believe it offers people in your situation an appropriate blend of exercise and social interaction.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It doesn't matter if he was born in Timbuktu and speaks with a deep Aussie accent. He's a WELSH MP. Representing Welsh constituents. He won't be able to vote in all Parliamentary votes even if he's PM due to EVEL. The press would have an absolute ball with that one.

Miliband was warned again and again during the Scottish thing while he gloried in warm words, high praise and all round media support spouting announcements about putting armed guards on the border.... that as soon as they referendum was over, they would turn the turrets onto him. And turn they certainly did. The same would be true of Owen Smith. They'd never let the Welsh MP/EVEL thing go, and that recent comment about ISIS would be played on loop in the run up to the next GE.

At least Corbyn has had the sense to not engage from the start and ignore it.

The Labour Party has to change first before it can persuade voters to it's new policies. This is a transitional phase imo.

Absolutely. This is a transitional phase.

The establishment are desperately trying to avoid the transition.

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seven-day-weekend wrote: »

My husband says I bet you don't even have to pay bedroom tax, you swine.

Well........ just between you and me...... I pay council tax on the entire house. As I am staggeringly wealthy - and don't pay rent - there's no recourse to state funds to pay for accommodation.

Without wishing to ignite yet more coals, your hubby does know that the "bedroom tax" isn't actually a "tax", doesn't he?

Darn butler has run off with the chambermaid, and because it's raining here, none of the gardeners have turned up. I'm in the conservatory sipping coffee and eating pain au chocolat. Might have to get dressed soon. I'd better get a man in to check on the condition of the moat and drawbridge (all of us who don't trust Corbyn have these, doncha know) as I understand that Rugged and the chaps may planning a bit of a set-to.

I see that Rugged feels that Labour is in a "transition". He may be right, but in the opinion of this seasoned observer, they are changing from a party that might have had a chance of forming a democratic government to one with no chance at all. Still, as Rugged appears to have difficulty in confirming an interest in democracy, that may not be an issue.......:cool:

WR

seven-day-weekend

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Well........ just between you and me...... I pay council tax on the entire house. As I am staggeringly wealthy - and don't pay rent - there's no recourse to state funds to pay for accommodation.

Without wishing to ignite yet more coals, your hubby does know that the "bedroom tax" isn't actually a "tax", doesn't he?

Darn butler has run off with the chambermaid, and because it's raining here, none of the gardeners have turned up. I'm in the conservatory sipping coffee and eating pain au chocolat. Might have to get dressed soon. I'd better get a man in to check on the condition of the moat and drawbridge (all of us who don't trust Corbyn have these, doncha know) as I understand that Rugged and the chaps may planning a bit of a set-to.

I see that Rugged feels that Labour is in a "transition". He may be right, but in the opinion of this seasoned observer, they are changing from a party that might have had a chance of forming a democratic government to one with no chance at all. Still, as Rugged appears to have difficulty in confirming an interest in democracy, that may not be an issue.......:cool:

WR

Yes he does

Enjoy your pan de chocolat (Spanish rather than French, we're very European here, despite voting Brexit), and hope all goes well with your drawbridge.

Seriously, could someone explain in one syllable what they think is so marvellous about Corbyn and his cronies? All I see is an aging protestor, who has tried to topple several of his party's leaders, who has disobeyed the whip on hundreds of occasions, yet still demands loyalty from his own MPs.

That's despite wanting to break international treaties and not being willing to defend our country. Oh, and being hand-in-glove with those who wish to kill us. He sacked one of the MPs from our city for sugesting that terrorism is a choice:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/01/06/labour-reshuffle-jeremy-corbyn-sacks-wolverhampton-mp-pat-mcfadden/


So I honestly do not see what is so appealing about him. Please explain.

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ruggedtoast wrote: »

Great. You clearly need something to occupy those long days.

Have you considered lawn bowls? I believe it offers people in your situation an appropriate blend of exercise and social interaction.

Oh, my time is occupied just fine thanks. Seems that it will dry up later, so I'll probably head into Edinburgh take in some Fringe shows. Saw a bloke in a suit playing a violin on a tightrope yesterday, so there's a fair variety.

Lawn bowls? Not really my thing, although I hear that our local club seems to have a bar with cheap prices, but I try not to stereotype in the quite desperate way that you do, although I can indulge in it too on occasion.

How's the whippets? :rotfl: How do you find time to look after them with all the hours t'gaffer makes thee put in down at t'mill? :cool:

WR