An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

I'm Labour always have been, we have suffered over the years from entryism from the hard left and we are experiencing it now. The tories had similar issues but then UKIP provided a vehicle for the extremist hate mongers instead so they left. If you look at the background of the candidates for the UKIP leadership....I think at least three were ex tory councillors who were expelled or left the party because of their extreme views. We are now going through the same thing in the Labour Party.

Except the extremists are not the ones leaving.......

westernpromise

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Good post .I too see the scenario I have underlined.

But who will form the official Opposition? One of the criterion for this is that they should be able to form a Government in the case of the official Government going base over apex.
Do you think theat either Corbyn's Labour or Refreshed Labour will be able to do that?

AIUI the leader of the second-largest group of MPs is automatically Leader of the Opposition, but the Speaker would need to make a judgement about who that should be if that group were to split. Although 170 MPs passed a vote of no confidence in Corbyn, it doesn't follow that all 170 want to be in a new party. If fewer than half seceded, Corbyn's being head of the other half (or more) would mean he still headed the second-largest bloc. So he'd still be LotO.

If 117 to 170 Labour MPs did indeed secede, meaning Corbyn no longer led the largest bloc, then Bercow would have to decide whether this bloc amounted to a legitimate Opposition. On the one hand they are now a bigger bloc than rump Labour. So they have the numbers; their leader, however elected, would thus control the second-largest bloc. But on the other hand, none was elected as the People's Front of Judaea; they were actually elected as the Judaean People's Front. What their constituencies actually returned was a JPF MP and they are de facto no longer JPF MPs. They might argue that they are the "real" JPF, and that it is Corbyn who is the splitter. But as they have expressly quit the party to found a new one, and don't claim to be the actual official JPF, it's clear they're not. And what would happen if some later took back the whip?

This would, I suggest, be enough to cast serious doubt on whether they are properly established and could legitimately be considered the official Opposition, entitled to Short Money, etc. To do so could be seen as endorsing infiltration. You could have 120 people suddenly declare, the day after being elected Labour MPs, that they are actually the Campaign for a Free Galilee, and then demand recognition at Westminster on the basis of having 120 MPs, even though no vote was cast for them. Tricky one for Bercow...

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Another anecdote to add: a colleague's husband was very enthused after hearing Corbyn speak last year, and voted for him. He's now totally disillusioned and won't be voting as he says Corbyn or Smith is no choice at all.

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

You calling me a liar ......if so prove it! I was there and in case it escaped your notice the appeal hearing was yesterday so post Jan. members were allowed to vote in the nomination meeting I attended on Thursday night!

Your experience may be different to mine... but mine was real and I've reported it exactly as it happened.

I've defended Corbyn in the past ......look at my posting history! I hated the media campaign against him and thought he should at least be given the chance because of his mandate but I was wrong, totally wrong and am prepared to say it. He is a disaster of a leader who has no control of his brief and is too arrogant to see it. He has bought into the adulation of his acolytes and cares nothing for the future of the Labour Party!

Just because you have been purportedly pro-Corbyn does not mean you receive shrift now you have revealed yourself as an Anti-Corbynite Fifth Columnist.

A new kind of politics is coming. A kinder kind of politics. It's time to get on board and share in the vision.

ruggedtoast

westernpromise wrote: »

I can see the left dissolving into a People's Front of Judaea shambles for the next 20 years.

Of course you can. Because you're a confirmed Tory voter who can't even begin to understand why socialist politics exists.

Maybe take a walk outside the Home Counties bubble and you might start to understand.

Some people have more to worry about than Camilla's pony riding instructor having gone off sick.

d70cw6

ugh, poor people are the WORST! The worst I say!

cells

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Just because you have been purportedly pro-Corbyn does not mean you receive shrift now you have revealed yourself as an Anti-Corbynite Fifth Columnist.

A new kind of politics is coming. A kinder kind of politics. It's time to get on board and share in the vision.

Was Ed in 2015 not a 'Kinder kind of politics' candidate?

Who is going to vote for korbin who did not vote for Ed? While we know there will be a significant number who did vote for Ed who will not vote for korbin

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ruggedtoast wrote: »

Of course you can. Because you're a confirmed Tory voter who can't even begin to understand why socialist politics exists.

Maybe take a walk outside the Home Counties bubble and you might start to understand.

Some people have more to worry about than Camilla's pony riding instructor having gone off sick.

And with comments like these, and the slightly earlier "Anti-Corbynite Fifth Columnist" how keenly we can all look forward to this "kinder kind of politics" you mentioned......:D

WR

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Of course you can. Because you're a confirmed Tory voter who can't even begin to understand why socialist politics exists.

Maybe take a walk outside the Home Counties bubble and you might start to understand.

Some people have more to worry about than Camilla's pony riding instructor having gone off sick.

absolutely right
one only has to look at IRA loving Corbyn cliques' favourite economy, Venezuela or second most admired economy, Greeece to realise people living under trotsykyite socialism have a lot to worry about.
No surprise that toxic toastie finds it funny.

seven-day-weekend

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Of course you can. Because you're a confirmed Tory voter who can't even begin to understand why socialist politics exists.

Maybe take a walk outside the Home Counties bubble and you might start to understand.

Some people have more to worry about than Camilla's pony riding instructor having gone off sick.

I know you were not referring to me.

However, I have become a Tory voter over the years, from a working class family and have never lived anywhere near the Home Counties.

This IS like the difference between the Judean Peoples' Front and The Peoples' Front of Judea. I said this several weeks ago in another thread.

If you think Corbyn and his ilk care about ordinary people, think again. For a start they do not care about me or other Tory voters. He published a reader's letter in a magazine where he was part of the editorial team, after the Brighton Bombings (from the Telegraph):

The editorial board of a hard-Left magazine, of which Mr Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing. In its article on the IRA attack, which almost wiped out Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, the editorial board of London Labour Briefing said the atrocity showed that “the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it.”
According to an authoritative parliamentary reference work, Mr Corbyn was general secretary of the editorial board. He wrote the front-page story in the same issue of Briefing.
The same edition of Briefing, for December 1984, carried a reader’s letter praising the “audacity” of the IRA attack and stating: “What do you call four dead Tories? A start.”

In the same edition of the magazine, another reader's letter referred to Norman Tebbit, who was dug out of the rubble, and said 'Now get on yer bike'.

Not nice people at all.