DeVere Parking Services Unjust Court Decision

beamerguy

Quentin wrote: »

There is no suggestion of the badge being used correctly in the way you describe

That was posted by DCodd

Redx

I have just checked my blue booklet issued this year and on page 8 it says this

The badge and its concessions are just for your use. It is a criminal offence for you or anyone else to misuse your badge, and it can lead to a £1000 fine.

It must not be displayed unless you are using it directly ( ie: the badge holder)

Do not allow other people to display the badge in the vehicle, unless:

someone travelling with you is waiting for YOU to return to the vehicle (although consideration should be given to using a car park wherever possible

The trip must be for your benefit only and you must be in the vehicle

Do not allow other people to use the badge to do something on your behalf, such as shopping or collecting something for you.

it is clear to me that the OP has misinterpreted some of the wordings in the guidelines, OR has not actually read them and decided on what can and cannot be done

the fact this was on private land has clouded the issues further as the OP has failed to grasp the significance of what is allowed in disabled bays on private land or how the EA2010 applies to those spaces

the fact remains that they should have parked in a normal space and not displayed the BB and walked to the store , or parked in the disabled space , displayed the BB correctly and taken their relative into the store with them

no other viable alternative exists

fisherjim

Redx is correct, I'm out!

beamerguy

nigelbb wrote: »

It's certainly true that confusion exists not only in the mind of the OP as you seem to have difficulty misunderstanding no matter how many times I explain it.

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There is no misunderstanding and I see you have repeated yourself.

The debate here about the legalities of a BB was started after my post. In that post I made no comment about the rights or wrongs of what she did, more so it was the denial of the PPC and the judge to not even remotely consider or understand the problem

I am not interested in the rights or wrongs of parking with a BB.

Yes the lady could have done better when appealing had she known the way to go about it, the same applies to thousands of people who are not aware of these forums.

For those who have not experienced a family member having dementia and what is involved with the illness, I would not expect them to understand and hope they never experience the problem.

I can assure those who have little or no knowledge of this progressive illness, a stupid blue badge is the last thing on the carers mind

The OP was lucky that her dad still has the BB on him, he could have well hidden it under another car or in the bushes

Quentin

beamerguy wrote: »

......I can assure those who have little or no knowledge of this progressive illness, a stupid blue badge it the last thing on the carers mind

When you originally decided to use this thread for today's rabble raising you did take the line that the BB was some sort of right for the OP to use as she is an unpaid carer (though where you got that from is a mystery?), and wasn't benefiting from the misuse of the BB:

beamerguy wrote: »

The OP is acting as one of the thousands of unpaid carers.
Hardly using the badge for her own ends. ......

You then moved on to shouting:

beamerguy wrote: »

......NO ABUSE

beamerguy

Quentin wrote: »

When you originally decided to use this thread for today's rabble raising you did take the line that the BB was some sort of right for the OP to use as she is an unpaid carer (though where you got that from is a mystery?), and wasn't benefiting from the misuse of the BB:

You then moved on to shouting:

Go away, you have no idea, you are making things up now.

As it's you again, conversation terminated

Coupon-mad

the fact remains that they should have parked in a normal space and not displayed the BB and walked to the store , or parked in the disabled space , displayed the BB correctly and taken their relative into the store with them

no other viable alternative exists

Agreed - and agreeing with all the others who said the same.

Disabled people can't be left to just sit in cars in disabled bays with carers going off shopping, thinking it is their right, yet not using those bays as intended. It is far more reasonable to use a normal bay in this situation and I don't think it stacks up that the dementia sufferer needed to be nearer the store (shouldn't have been left alone then).

A disabled person isn't another person's 'Blue Badge' in human form! People can't use a disabled person to 'park the bus' where convenient, taking up a valuable disabled space someone who intends to get out of a vehicle will need.

Not saying Devere should have been paid. They are nasty and the alleged 'scam' at Poole/Bournemouth area courts (the possible Landau connection) is well-discussed and has been an issue for many years:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=59125

The OP should have got advice here first about a defence but they may well have lost in Devere-la-la-land anyway.

As an aside, can we stop with the implied (or otherwise) criticism of Quentin, who posts perfectly reasonably and helpfully here?

nigelbb

beamerguy wrote: »

There is no misunderstanding and I see you have repeated yourself.

The debate here about the legalities of a BB was started after my post. In that post I made no comment about the rights or wrongs of what she did, more so it was the denial of the PPC and the judge to not even remotely consider or understand the problem

I am not interested in the rights or wrongs of parking with a BB.

Yes the lady could have done better when appealing had she known the way to go about it, the same applies to thousands of people who are not aware of these forums.

For those who have not experienced a family member having dementia and what is involved with the illness, I would not expect them to understand and hope they never experience the problem.

I can assure those who have little or no knowledge of this progressive illness, a stupid blue badge it the last thing on the carers mind

What has dementia got to do with this County Court claim for a debt for an unpaid parking charge? Absolutely nothing as it's not the OP who has dementia & it had no bearing on the court case. It would have been just the same outcome if the OP had taken the BB holder into the store but forgotten to put the BB on display. The circumstances of why there was no BB on display were utterly irrelevant to the case & the judge rightly took no account of it. Defending this claim in court with a plea of mitigation was a mistake however much the OP thinks they were hard done by. The court could never find for the OP given this story.

Why should DeVere accept the OP's plea of mitigation? They only earn money when motorists infringe their rules. The true villains of this piece are the operators of the Castlepoint Shopping Centre who employed DeVere & had the ability to order DeVere to cancel. The OP should have lobbied them & contacted the local paper & MP etc long before this ever reached court.

nigelbb

beamerguy wrote: »

Go away, you have no idea, you are making things up now.

As it's you again, conversation terminated

Sadly not I am afraid as beamerguy has a compulsive need to always have the last word in any thread in which his ill-judged rants have been contradicted & is incapable of acknowledging when he is in the wrong or mistaken. He also seems to get particularly upset when contradicted by Quentin who produces perfectly reasonable & helpful advice in contrast to the unfocused blizzard of bollox spouted by beamerguy

beamerguy

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Not saying Devere should have been paid! The OP should have got advice here first about a defence.

Correct, if the OP knew about this forum ? clearly she found it after the event just like so many others do.

The lack of understanding Dementia is common place and that includes the carers.
As a look into the future for anyone, this is good reading
http://forum.alzheimers.org.uk/?_ga=1.222026840.1571192158.1468419243

Regardless of Blue Badge or not, I will stick with my first post as to
the lack of knowledge by the PPC and the judge.

The BB TOPIC kicked off after my post