The thread for pointless arguments about Brexit

mwpt

JACKBLACK wrote: »

I blame the EU though. They just wouldn't listen and they have turned a tolerant society into this! I'm glad we voted Leave.

Yeah. It was the EU wot did it. Don't take any responsibility, that's always best.

:facepalm:

(where is my facepalm emoji)

JACKBLACK

nkomp18 wrote: »

Immigration isn't unrestricted. UK has very tough immigration and visa entry criteria that are costly, restricting and unforgiving.

What isn't unrestricted is immigration within EU/EEA countries something which isn't going to change as a result of this referendum. It's all been a pointless and costly exercise from a campaign that misguided people thinking that it would result in less immigration but will only result in a drop of their own income. *facepalm*

Unlimited immigration will end that is for sure.

This is a great country. We will be fine. The real question is whether the EU will be fine? Is that really why you are so angry? 50% of Italians want to leave the EU (and that's just for starters.)

JACKBLACK

BJV wrote: »

1. We will be in control of our own country's trade agreements.
2. We will keep our own budgets.
3. We will keep our own treasury.
4. We will be able to have a governing power that we elect or change at our discretion.
5. We will see an end to UKIP
6. We will be able see a start of real, long term integration of communities.
7. We will be able to say goodbye to Mr Tactful - Forage
8. We will be able to use new export deals to our benefit and export more, not just to Europe but the rest of the world.
9. We will be able to keep the Pound
10.We will be able to take the parts of the current rules and regulations that help people and at the same time cut stupid red tape.

All things other EU countries won't be able to do.

We will be a flexible and dynamic country - facing out towards the whole world instead of just Europe.

Herzlos

JACKBLACK wrote: »

Unlimited immigration will end that is for sure.
We will be fine.

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive.

The only way to stop unlimited EU immigration is to stay out of any EU trading agreement.

The only way for us to be "fine" is to sign up to an EU trading agreement.

prosaver

no more wasting money
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British farmers

The Common Agricultural Policy may be horribly wasteful — but it’s also undoubtedly popular with some farmers. Money saved from our EU fee would leave plenty to give to farmers and, unlike EU subsidies, British ones could be linked to farm productivity. Crucially, supermarkets would be free to import the best food at the best price worldwide — without having to slap on a morally indefensible EU tariff. Such tariffs currently cost £400 per household

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/ten-myths-about-brexit/

prosaver

a good thing.... she changed her attitude (for now)

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Neither is the restriction on free movement, but that's still not what I'm asking.

I'm not talking about our ability to replace migrants, CLAPTONs argument seems to be that migrants are bad. I'm trying to get him to explain what will happen if you actually reduce the number of migrants.

A full brexit where freedom of movement cannot be accepted does kind of mean that we won't have freedom of movement. It would (under current negotiating stances) mean we also wouldn't have free access to the single market, we'd have to pay tariffs.

Reducing the number of migrants moving forward would appear to be what was voted for, not kicking out the existing migrants.

JACKBLACK

HiToAll wrote: »

Also we get to get rid of immigrants who have set up camp in Sherwood Forest since the vote, according to Britain First leave voters.

You might think this is a joke but on a train journey from London to Winchester about a month a go I definitely seen people living out in the open in makeshift tenty things. It wasn't just one lot of people either. !!!!!! this is nuts.

JACKBLACK

Herzlos wrote: »

Not for the EU we won't. We'll take what we're given.

And that is exactly why we voted Leave. Brits don't expect to take what we're given. We expect to be able to vote our politicians out.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive.

The only way to stop unlimited EU immigration is to stay out of any EU trading agreement.

The only way for us to be "fine" is to sign up to an EU trading agreement.

Isn't that part of the argument for leave though in that do we really need to trade with the single market without tariffs for us to be fine as a nation?

I understand that financial services could take a large hit, it might mean that we stop this London-centric view of economics and some people in the rest of the UK, including Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland and the north of England might actually benefit?