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The thread for pointless arguments about Brexit
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »And in other news....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ford-to-consider-closing-uk-factories-in-leave-towns-after-brexit-a7162561.html
As I may have mentioned a few hundred times previously - it's the very working classes that most voted out - which will feel all of the pain and none of the gain from Brexit.
The politicians that sold them a dud may want to watch their backs...
Why did Ford move transit manufacturing from Southampton to Turkey in 2012 - complete with a loan from the European Investment Bank?
It seems a bit early to be blaming Brexit for moves that will have been discussed ad inifitum in global manufacturing companies. In fact Ford are still restructuring their European Operations.......
http://www.ford.co.uk/experience-ford/AboutFord/News/CompanyNews/2016/ford-accelerates-transformation-plan0 -
Why did Ford move transit manufacturing from Southampton to Turkey in 2012 - complete with a loan from the European Investment Bank?
Heh.... Not quite.
Ford did receive a European loan to expand production in Turkey - as many companies also [STRIKE]do[/STRIKE] did for investing in the UK - but at the time of getting that loan Ford had not announced any plans to end transit production in the UK.
It was most certainly not a loan to "move production from the UK" no matter how many false tabloid media stories may have portrayed it as such.
Ford was already making most Transit's for the European market at the time in Turkey and had been long before they got the loan - and the EU also loaned money to Ford in Britain for UK manufacturing - which I notice you failed to mention.Ford are still restructuring their European Operations.......
Indeed.
But Brexit will no doubt add significant headwinds to manufacturing in the UK.
Why do you think even 'Economists for Brexit' were forced to admit in Parliamentary testimony that leaving the EU would directly result in us "mostly eliminating manufacturing" in the UK?
You cannot simply deny all the negative impacts the Brexiters were warned about, that are now happening, are a result of Brexit.... when even the 'Economists for Brexit' group made the same warnings!“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
But what I find sad is that the decision demonstrates to the world that we remain an arrogant people, clinging to our past, showing contempt for foreigners and insular in our outlook.
99% of normal people world wide, would see treating people from every country of the world equally as a positive, compared to giving privileges to 27 white christian european countries and discriminateing against everyone else.
They would see this as embacing equally all nations, races, creeds etc .
The 1% exceptions are the remain bigots.0 -
But they seem to be arguing that the cars vehicles they make are predominantly for EXPORT. So why should they make the cars in the UK if it costs them more to do?
Ford Europe seem to have made a bit of a tactical mistake by ending actual car production in its second largest European market.
Perhaps Brits will signal the end of Ford`s dominance in the UK sales chart by buying British built Toyota`s and Honda`s and the rest in future.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Applies more to the cottage industry that Brussels has become. In an era of decentralising power. Local government is fact more effective and accountable. Shows also that the UK is forward thinking and not afraid of change for the better. If something doesn't work you fix it. Not paper over the cracks for political unity. Personally I hope that the UK's voice will create change for the better.
I was not thinking of Brussels or of the "strategy" (sic) behind the vote. I agree it could be viewed as forward thinking by some and properly harnessed could be a force for good.
I was alluding to what it says about the kind of people we are. It shows an arrogant belief that we are somehow better than all those Europeans, that we are now going to teach these Europeans and the rest of the world a thing or two, including that we are better than them. It also shows that we are a country with some racists in it, others that dislike foreigners so much that they want to pack them off home, and yet more who have a nimby dislike of immigrants as well as of immigration. In short I think it portrays us as a nasty nation that might well elect a Donald Trump given half the chance. That is not the sort of friendliness I associate with the English regions.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I was not thinking of Brussels or of the "strategy" (sic) behind the vote. I agree it could be viewed as forward thinking by some and properly harnessed could be a force for good.
I was alluding to what it says about the kind of people we are. It shows an arrogant belief that we are somehow better than all those Europeans, that we are now going to teach these Europeans and the rest of the world a thing or two, including that we are better than them. It also shows that we are a country with some racists in it, others that dislike foreigners so much that they want to pack them off home, and yet more who have a nimby dislike of immigrants as well as of immigration. In short I think it portrays us as a nasty nation that might well elect a Donald Trump given half the chance. That is not the sort of friendliness I associate with the English regions.
Well, I guess in recent times democracy was a UK invention and the europeans were never very confortable with it.
Like trial by jury of one's peers : never caught on in europe either.
But the left has never been confortable with either concept.
Mind you its good to know that the europeans are far less racist than the nasty Brits.0 -
I was alluding to what it says about the kind of people we are. It shows an arrogant belief that we are somehow better than all those Europeans,
Who are "those" Europeans. There's huge disquiet across Europe with the "project". We are no different to others in wanting to retain our own national identities and cultures.0 -
Perhaps Brits will signal the end of Ford`s dominance in the UK sales chart by buying British built Toyota`s and Honda`s and the rest in future.
If we leave the Single Market they won't be built here for long...“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »A positive thing that I have found out is that we will still be able to enter the Eurovision Song Contest
:rotfl::rotfl:
If only the Remain campaign had pointed that out, I think they missed a trick there.Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »If we leave the Single Market they won't be built here for long...
Your usual 'glass half empty' conjecture.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0
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