The thread for pointless arguments about Brexit

Crashy_Time

Conrad wrote: »

My pointless point is to relay what happened to a couple I know that we're in Rhodes when the result came in. They said all the Greeks were comming up to them in admiration high diving them for Britains gutsy decision

A far cry from the liberal chatterati myth that were a laughing stock

Wish Greece would just find the balls to default and exit in that case.

Joestock

CLAPTON wrote: »

the leave campaign was based around the question on the ballot paper.

Many lies were told by the leave campaign which of course were refuted by the remain side.

Sadly this is not uncommon in UK politics ; I recall parties saying they were against Uni fees, and I recall 'no plans to increase VAT' , I recall Blair promising a referendum on the EU

However the ballot question was fair and simple to understand.

People made a decision after the opportunity to hear all sides of the debate. Indeed including the US president, IMF, World Bank, BoE, CBI, Tusk, Junckers etc



What is the problem?

The problem is that the referendum should never have been sanctioned, until the government had prepared unbiased forecast of the likely outcome. Not one based on the worse case scenario by the establishment who would not concede any benefits which may result. Majority of voters lost confidence in the institutions who are paid to give them expert advice because they were presented with a one sided biased account. Also, no answers were provided of what the country was going to be like or how it would cope if we remained.

Thrugelmir

Joestock wrote: »

Also, no answers were provided of what the country was going to be like or how it would cope if we remained.

There are no answers. Too many variables. The one certainty in life is uncertainty.

Joestock

Remain did explain but you were clearly not listening. The answer was along the lines that immigrants contributed taxes to the country and it is up to Government to provide sufficient services with those taxes.

You clearly believe that all EU immigrants are low paid and unskilled. You clearly do not know that many are well qualified and probably pay more taxes than you do

I was listening along with the majority of other voters and all we could hear from the establishment was a one sided account based on a worst case scenarios. No answer was given to how we would cope if we remained. How could we build an average size city every year?
It is a known fact that a large majority of EU workers are attracted because we have the highest minimum wage.

zagubov

While the Remain argument has its merits, its negativity explains why
1) the indy ref vote rose from 30-45% without any major campaigning by the media-ignored Yes campaign
2) the Brexit argument reached 52% witiout any explanation of what they were doing.

It's the Project Fear that everybody stopped believing in. Twice now.

Joestock

Positive perhaps us having the highest minimum wage may not be so significant now that the pound has lost value!

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why not ask them. Speculation regarding the UK was totally wrong.

I did, didn't you notice where I live.

Where do you live?

stator

Foxtons estate agency profits tumble amid Brexit vote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36922496

Sapphire

stator wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36922496

Good. Hopefully prices in London will fall – they are far too high, and residential property should never have been allowed to be regarded as an investment.

Samsonite1

One other aspect of house prices is schools. Some areas are bloated in price because the catchment areas for the best schools are shrinking - this is due to everyone trying to get a property near a school. Considering that it probably costs in the region of £250k to put a child through private schooling, you can see why people will pay good money for a house near the top state schools.

This is not a Brexit issue of course, but it is a problem that makes some houses cheaper and some more expensive. Where I was looking, houses were 50% more for the same house (in terms of size and neighbourhood) if they were guaranteed for a good school versus not so close. We are talking a couple of hundred metres difference in distance from a particular school.

The only reason I mention it is that if house prices do fall, then the school areas will retain value and make it even harder for families to move near to the good schools. Is that a good thing? Maybe it will encourage bad schools to become better if parents cannot be too picky about schools?