Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

I note that the politically disenfranchised thick people that you despise so much managed to have their say...

Why do you keep doing this. I called you out for lying about me last time and you slunk away without apologising. So here again, show me where I said I despise anyone. Show me the posts. If you can't then I expect an apology for lying.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Personally I blame the Nanny state. Also the credit boom. As many in an entire generation have it so easy all their lives. Trouble is not everyone has benefited.

Ok, so blame passed. These younger people are a complete mess. Not our fault for raising them though, no.... must be someone else to blame. We are the generation who "built this country".

I think that fits fairly nicely into ruggedtoast's meme.

System

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

When faced with putting a cross in one of two boxes they will make a snap decision. The majority didn't even get that far.

Which in my opinion is totally the wrong thing to do. I'm not in favour of asking people to make a snap decision on something so important.

By all means let the masses make a snap decision on what to call a boat or what design of flag to have, but not this.

Anyway that's probably off topic.

TrickyTree83

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Which in my opinion is totally the wrong thing to do. I'm not in favour of asking people to make a snap decision on something so important.

By all means let the masses make a snap decision on what to call a boat or what design of flag to have, but not this.

Anyway that's probably off topic.

When faced with the choice of remaining or leaving the EU, the snap decision would more often than not fall on remain in the EU.

The statisticians running polls were telling you as much that there would be a backing for the status quo from those who were unsure.

That aside - how can you now be against something you were so unsure about that you didn't vote? Surely by implication they would support remain in that case?

LisbonLaura

Faith177 wrote: »

No good to us if the markets crash further, jobs start to be lost and banks stop lending

But hey at least we got our country back :T

:(:(:(

It was never your country.

Does that help?

cells

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If a young person believed they didn't know then they ought to have voted for the status quo. (nice rhyme, probably should have used that in the campaign).

The Conservative government was elected on holding a referendum on EU membership. So it was always going to happen.

It's a damning statsitic, 36% turnout is shameful. For there to be a turnout 72.2% nationally the older age groups clearly felt there was a need to vote in order to have their voice heard. I don't agree that not voting was indicative of "I don't know". When faced with putting a cross in one of two boxes they will make a snap decision. The majority didn't even get that far.

A lot of young people nowadays go to university and often that means living in a renal possibly for just 9 months before the next rental. That makes it less likely that they are registered. If the general population had to register every year I think the turnout for all groups would be lower.

There is also the fact that a lot of young people have never voted before. So say the election is when you are 17 the next one is at 22. If they haven't voted before it's less likely they will. Once you vote you vote again.

So its just simple logical reasons why you would expect turnout to be lower the younger the age group. I suspect its been this way for a long time. So if you look back 30 years the turnout for the young was lower than the old


If you wanted turnout to be higher for that age group there are various things you can do. Maybe allow the under 22 group to be registered and vote while at school. So the election is on a school day and the 18-22 group at college or university vote at the college or university they attend. I suspect that way turnout would be very high and also mean that the 22-30 age group will jump too. Or of course you can make it compulsory to vote with an option of 'none of the above'


Personally I would look into the idea of reducing the voting age to 15 and maybe even send out a universal postal vote to everyone. If you don't use the postal vote you can vote in the polling station.

Cornucopia

mwpt wrote: »

Ok, so blame passed. These younger people are a complete mess. Not our fault for raising them though, no.... must be someone else to blame. We are the generation who "built this country".

I think that's a bit of a leap (though not for adherants of the RuggedToast meme, apparently). I'd certainly like to hear from young people or their psychiatrists as to how (both the method and the outcome) they have been messed-up by bad parenting before accepting the principle.

In the absence of that, it becomes just another tick-in-the-box for blaming someone else - which is a recurrent theme.

For my part, I do not despise anyone. However, the simple fact is that this society is so, so much more affluent in so many ways than the one of my childhood. It just is - by virtually every measure. Part of that is my experience of having gone from poorer than average to richer than average, and I fully accept that (though I would say that it hasn't turned me into one of those obnoxious "everyone can do it with a bit of hard work" people).

Having said all of that, I will repeat what I was saying to someone in real life the other day: when I was a child, Woolworths sold loose broken biscuits. Everyone potentially would buy loose biscuits from Woolworths, including the broken ones. Now, there is no more Woolworths, no more loose biscuits and no more broken biscuits. In that sense, our society is wealthier and has moved on. However, there are still some people who have to use food banks.

Our society is wealthier overall, but the gap between rich and poor is greater (sorry I don't have stats to hand).

mwpt

Cornucopia wrote: »

I think that's a bit of a leap (though not for adherants of the RuggedToast meme, apparently). I'd certainly like to hear from young people or their psychiatrists as to how (both the method and the outcome) they have been messed-up by bad parenting before accepting the principle.

In the absence of that, it becomes just another tick-in-the-box for blaming someone else - which is a recurrent theme.

Huh? Sorry, I must be missing something here. It isn't me that is claiming any generation is messed up. It is many of the older posters on this thread and many others littered around MSE forums.

So are the youth of today a messed up twitter/facebook/snowflake generation or not? And if so, where were the parents of this supposed "messed up" generation and why are they refusing to take responsibility?

Tiddlywinks

There was a vote open to all on the electoral register.

People had a chance to use their mark to vote in or out.

The majority voted to leave the EU.

That's all that matters - the end result.

That's what democracy is all about.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Huh? Sorry, I must be missing something here. It isn't me that is claiming any generation is messed up. It is many of the older posters on this thread and many others littered around MSE forums.

So are the youth of today a messed up twitter/facebook/snowflake generation or not? And if so, where were the parents of this supposed "messed up" generation and why are they refusing to take responsibility?

18-24 year olds, that's who didn't turn out.

People who can take out loans, have families, buy alcohol and tobacco, can drive and are considered young adults. Are you saying it's the fault of the parents that 64% didn't vote? What are they supposed to do? Frog march them down to the polling office?