Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

Cornucopia

mwpt wrote: »

Your statement is dumb...

That's a bit rich in a thread whose very title cites "Boomers [sic] EU vandalism".

There's nothing wrong in considering young people as a group in terms of their voting habits and intentions, and again the thread has done that extensively in regards to older people.

The fact is that the young vote was split: 27% Remain, 9% Leave, 75% Didn't vote (or whatever the figures are). That's not a vote for remain, it's a vote for apathy, especially when 83% of older people were voting.

(*) They seem to be open game for mocking on these forums, snide (and somewhat dull-witted) references to them as the twitter generation or whatever other names people love to invent.

I don't see much mocking of the young. There's a fair amount of unwitting self-parody, though.

It is actually painful to watch a society try to cling on to the belief that their own generation were so much greater, had it so much harder, worked harder, etc.

I recommend watching the Lifestyle Archive programmes on iPlayer - "All Mod Cons" is a relatively easy route in to understanding some of the practical and cultural issues of the time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p00fgmhb

ukcarper

The point I'm trying to make is in relation to the thread title. OK 60% of older voters voted to leave but that means 40% voted to remain and perhaps the anger should not be directed at older votes, but at the 64% of younger voters who did not turn out because if they felt like the young people who voted did we would not be in the position we are in now.

It's much to simplistic to blame it on one section of voters.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Your statement is dumb. Are you addressing it to the young people who did vote or to those that didn't vote? Because it sounds like you are being an elder generation jerk and lumping them all in one.

So, everyone knows that more young people don't turn out to vote. But that is irrelevant because the samples show that those that were asked, preferred to remain. There is no other way to say this, young people wanted to remain in the EU.

Stating that they didn't turn out is irrelevant to the point that young people wanted to remain in the EU. I don't have to argue this any further, it is completely obvious.

If you want to have a discussion about why young people don't vote and what makes young people so much worse as human beings (*) go ahead, but you will never be able to win the argument against the fact that most young people wanted to remain in the EU.

(*) They seem to be open game for mocking on these forums, snide (and somewhat dull-witted) references to them as the twitter generation or whatever other names people love to invent. It is actually painful to watch a society try to cling on to the belief that their own generation were so much greater, had it so much harder, worked harder, etc.

If 75% of young people who voted wanted to Remain but only 36% of them bothered to do so, do the other 64% who didn't vote who may well be representative of the 75% proportional figure have a right to feel they've been robbed? In my view they do not since they could not be bothered to vote. The same as if I'd not voted I would have no right to be happy/sad about the result.

Your post is trying to pick holes in a very simple argument, and failing to do so.

"Because it sounds like you are being an elder generation jerk and lumping them all in one."

Nope not doing that, talking specifically about the 64% that didn't bother. If the vast majority of them had voted then the result might have been different. It's a fact that if you don't vote, then your views are not accounted for in the count of the vote.

"So, everyone knows that more young people don't turn out to vote. But that is irrelevant because the samples show that those that were asked, preferred to remain."

Nope, not irrelevant, if they'd bothered to vote perhaps the result would have been Remain.

"Stating that they didn't turn out is irrelevant to the point that young people wanted to remain in the EU."

Of course it's relevant, if they don't vote for it how can they hope to achieve the result they want?

The young are blaming the elder generation for taking us out of the EU. So the elder generations are not allowed to hold their views now? Perhaps the young should look to their own failings rather than blaming others.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Time to move on. We will never know.

We do know.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

We do know.

No really, you need to put this argument down.

Chastising older people for holding views and exercising their right to express those views via the ballot box is WRONG.

Younger people who didn't vote but then demonstrate and insult the older generation for exercising their democratic right is WRONG.

They need to look at their own age demographic for someone to blame for the result.

mufi

Cornucopia wrote: »

That's a bit rich in a thread whose very title cites "Boomers [sic] EU vandalism".

There's nothing wrong in considering young people as a group in terms of their voting habits and intentions, and again the thread has done that extensively in regards to older people.

The fact is that the young vote was split: 27% Remain, 9% Leave, 75% Didn't vote (or whatever the figures are). That's not a vote for remain, it's a vote for apathy, especially when 83% of older people were voting.

And they were warned over and over again that our servants would be escorting millions of us ermine-clad diamond-encrusted baby boomers to the polling stations to vote leave, just so we could foul things up for the generations who came after us.:rotfl:

Cornucopia

Personally, I think all of this is just another excuse for a bit more "Boomer bashing".

At my Polling Station, there were all ages and backgrounds, queuing (yes, queuing) to vote. My area voted 65% Leave - in other words 2:1 in favour, drawn in all likelihood from every demographic group.

kabayiri

I have an ageing relative who has always held strong views on migrants, both traditional and newer European, yet voted to Remain.

I have a friend who is a first generation descendant of subcontinent migrants, who voted to Leave because of the European migrant issue.

What does this say? Not a lot, except that what we all made was a value judgement, and it's difficult to guess what weight we each put on different contributory factors when reaching a decision.

Of course, you just directly ask people the obvious questions. Do you like migrants? Do you dislike all migrants? Do you like what the EU is? Do you understand where the EU is heading to?

But no...in this PC world we are seemingly not allowed to ask people what they think; warts and all; so we end up guessing.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

We do know.

The depth of this debate suggests not. If people had interest in wider matters then Corbyn wouldn't be Labour leader either.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

The problem with Generation Snowflake is they see no other cause but their own self ignorance.
I voted Out, my mind was made in 1973. I was young then.

I grew old whilst incompetent governments refused to give me the chance to rid ourselves of the bureaucratic indulgence.