Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

ruggedtoast

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »

The problem with Generation Snowflake is they see no other cause but their own self ignorance.
I voted Out, my mind was made in 1973. I was young then.

I grew old whilst incompetent governments refused to give me the chance to rid ourselves of the bureaucratic indulgence.

Thats a commitment to closed mindedness I can't really argue against.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No really, you need to put this argument down.

Chastising older people for holding views and exercising their right to express those views via the ballot box is WRONG.

Younger people who didn't vote but then demonstrate and insult the older generation for exercising their democratic right is WRONG.

They need to look at their own age demographic for someone to blame for the result.

Absolutely agree. The young have themselves to blame for not turning out. But those that did turn out or were polled, overwhelmingly want to remain in the EU.

The elder generations are not compelled to vote in any way but their own interests. Don't try to spin it that they were voting for the young though.

I find ruggedtoast's posts on boomers way over the top but even I am starting to get angry with some of the smug and patronising opinions here. I can start to understand why he feels angry. This continued attitude that the young today are somehow lesser than the previous generations. Another interesting point for me is the way it is always phrased "the young have themselves to blame". You surely should be phrasing it as "the young have us to thank for saving them", right?

mwpt

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »

The problem with Generation Snowflake is they see no other cause but their own self ignorance.

Exhibit A.

Could you explain how you were so !!!! as parents that you managed to screw up raising an entire generation?

ukcarper

mwpt wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The young have themselves to blame for not turning out. But those that did turn out or were polled, overwhelmingly want to remain in the EU.

The elder generations are not compelled to vote in any way but their own interests. Don't try to spin it that they were voting for the young though.

I find ruggedtoast's posts on boomers way over the top but even I am starting to get angry with some of the smug and patronising opinions here. I can start to understand why he feels angry. This continued attitude that the young today are somehow lesser than the previous generations. Another interesting point for me is the way it is always phrased "the young have themselves to blame". You surely should be phrasing it as "the young have us to thank for saving them", right?

I voted for what I thought would be best for my Grandchildren.

System

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I struggle to see how anyone on here who supported Remain can defend the young feeling they've been robbed when only 36% of them turned out to vote. It's a disgusting statistic on its own and shows that 64% have a disconnect with real life matters and are more interested in Snapchat, Twitter, Love Island, Take Me Out, etc...etc...

I think young looked at the referendum and thought "how the hell am I supposed to know".

Of course, that's what most of the rest of the population should have done as well, with age comes an over confidence in pre-conceived views and a belief that you HAVE TO VOTE.

It's that belief that caused all the problems. People HAVING to vote despite not having a clue what they are talking about.

Don't blame the young 'uns, blame the fact the referendum ever happened at all. At least the young people were honest enough to hold their hands up and say "I don't know".

ukcarper

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I think young looked at the referendum and thought "how the hell am I supposed to know".

Of course, that's what most of the rest of the population should have done as well, with age comes an over confidence in pre-conceived views and a belief that you HAVE TO VOTE.

It's that belief that caused all the problems. People HAVING to vote despite not having a clue what they are talking about.

Don't blame the young 'uns, blame the fact the referendum ever happened at all. At least the young people were honest enough to hold their hands up and say "I don't know".

I don’t believe older people voted out of a matter of duty I believe that they voted because they felt strongly about the situation.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The young have themselves to blame for not turning out. But those that did turn out or were polled, overwhelmingly want to remain in the EU.

The elder generations are not compelled to vote in any way but their own interests. Don't try to spin it that they were voting for the young though.

I find ruggedtoast's posts on boomers way over the top but even I am starting to get angry with some of the smug and patronising opinions here. I can start to understand why he feels angry. This continued attitude that the young today are somehow lesser than the previous generations. Another interesting point for me is the way it is always phrased "the young have themselves to blame". You surely should be phrasing it as "the young have us to thank for saving them", right?

I was never trying to spin it that older generations were voting for the young. They have a right, as do you, as does everyone else in this country to vote as they see fit. Which you acknowledged.

Why on earth should I be phrasing it as "the young have us to thank for saving them"? You even acknolwedged that they have themselves to blame for not turning out, I'm not saying anything different to that. Everyone votes how they see fit, old, young, black, white, gay, lesbian, hetro, christian, muslim, etc...

The fact that a particular demographic voted in a particular way was not to "save" another demographic or to punish another demographic, it was probably down to self interest or their own beliefs or opinions.

The point I was making was that if the young feel they need to blame anyone, it should be their own demographic. If it is indeed true that 75% of those who turned out voted to Remain and that would be consistent across the age group, if a more substantial proportion than 36% BOTHERED to vote then perhaps their demographic would have got what they wanted.

They didn't turn out.

They didn't get what they wanted.

Blaming older people isn't the answer. It won't change anything, and it's not the reason why their age group wasn't heard in the vote count.

It doesn't get much simpler than that.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The young have themselves to blame for not turning out. But those that did turn out or were polled, overwhelmingly want to remain in the EU.

The elder generations are not compelled to vote in any way but their own interests. Don't try to spin it that they were voting for the young though.

I find ruggedtoast's posts on boomers way over the top but even I am starting to get angry with some of the smug and patronising opinions here. I can start to understand why he feels angry. This continued attitude that the young today are somehow lesser than the previous generations. Another interesting point for me is the way it is always phrased "the young have themselves to blame". You surely should be phrasing it as "the young have us to thank for saving them", right?

Those young people have been given the very best opportunity imaginable to demonstrate that they want to be engaged in the political direction of this country.
If a section of society feels disenfranchised but then even after a six-month social and traditional media blitzing they still can't manage to express an opinion then they absolutely do only have themselves to blame if they now feel the need to start complaining about the outcome.

I note that the politically disenfranchised thick people that you despise so much managed to have their say...

In a logical binary argument there are actually three possible outcomes, your reasoning is that the unknowns should be grouped with the remain camp because all the young people you saw on telly or who responded to polling were in that camp.
That is not sensible.

You might as well say that ...
Lots of people buy the sun so anyone who doesn't buy a newspaper is a sun reader.
Clinton leads the US polls so anyone who doesn't vote is a democrat.
Mr X abstained from the vote on invading Iraq, but since we went in anyway then he is just as culpable as those who voted to go to war.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

Exhibit A.

Could you explain how you were so !!!! as parents that you managed to screw up raising an entire generation?

Personally I blame the Nanny state. Also the credit boom. As many in an entire generation have it so easy all their lives. Trouble is not everyone has benefited.

TrickyTree83

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I think young looked at the referendum and thought "how the hell am I supposed to know".

Of course, that's what most of the rest of the population should have done as well, with age comes an over confidence in pre-conceived views and a belief that you HAVE TO VOTE.

It's that belief that caused all the problems. People HAVING to vote despite not having a clue what they are talking about.

Don't blame the young 'uns, blame the fact the referendum ever happened at all. At least the young people were honest enough to hold their hands up and say "I don't know".

If a young person believed they didn't know then they ought to have voted for the status quo. (nice rhyme, probably should have used that in the campaign).

The Conservative government was elected on holding a referendum on EU membership. So it was always going to happen.

It's a damning statsitic, 36% turnout is shameful. For there to be a turnout 72.2% nationally the older age groups clearly felt there was a need to vote in order to have their voice heard. I don't agree that not voting was indicative of "I don't know". When faced with putting a cross in one of two boxes they will make a snap decision. The majority didn't even get that far.