just in case you think the same have your say (EU)

kinger101

lovinituk wrote: »

I think we should have a referendum on whether the BBC should continue to be funded by the public!

The BBC didn't create the panic. They don't have much control over what politicians do or say, or the negative campaigning on either side.

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

but uncertainty is practically a permanent state of affairs

At the current time there's an identified herd of elephants in the room though. Elephants are notorious for the damage that can be caused once they go on the rampage.

justme111

Ah. There is a petition for that as well.
But whoever funds it is secondary , my grievance is that there seem to be no independent media..

kinger101

Sapphire wrote: »

Everyone I know knew this would probably be the result, and that there would be a period of uncertainty before things settled – which they will.

For me, the issues of sovereignty and democracy for the nations of the EU are perhaps the most important things. I want the politicians we elect to be accountable to us, and for us to be able to change them if they do not perform.

Had this been purely about being part of an economic organisation, things may have been different, but it became clear to me that the EU bureaucracy would not change in any way, and was driving us towards a super-state run by Germany, without our consent. The actions of the EU officials clearly signal a dictatorship in the making, and I want no part of it. One size wouldn't fit all politically, as it clearly hasn't economically.

The EU unelected bureaucrats have no controls over them by the populations of European nations, and it became clear to me that we were being told aggressively what to do by petty dictators like Juncker. I am not surprised other countries in the EU are very dissatisfied with Merkel's policies. How can someone who is supposedly intelligent behave in this way? Are they simply too remote and stuck in their own little club to have anticipated what this would lead to?:(

Sovereignty is my main concern with the EU too, but I went with in because "out" was poorly defined. And in all honesty, my career means the ability to work in the EU, or hire people from there, benefits me.

I suspect out will look very much like Norway in the end, and most people who voted out for other reasons will be disappointed to find no restrictions on immigration within EFTA.

justme111

kinger101 wrote: »

The BBC didn't create the panic. They don't have much control over what politicians do or say, or the negative campaigning on either side.

Do you honestly not think that media chose what and how they report ?
:eek:

kinger101

justme111 wrote: »

Do you honestly not think that media chose what and how they report ?
:eek:

They tend to report what people are interested in. That's current affairs on the news. You might think the BBC has some heavy bias, but it's a comment I commonly hear for every swivel eyed loon on both the left and right, which probably means they've got the balance about right.

I think the UK has good media coverage, and BBC, ITV and Channel 4 go to great lengths to avoid bias. A slight liberal white middle class male bias might creep in, but that's to be expected to an extent if that's what most the newscasters are.

Believe me, having lived the USA, I know what a biased media really looks like.

justme111

Haha , yes they are more subtle here. That is why I was so shocked listening to Saturday morning r4 broadcasting. They were extremely one sided.
Trying to shift the blame (people at fault who voted brexit , not politicians who were discounting "out" as a possibilty and did not do their job to work out what to do) ; emotional blackmail ( older generation shafting younger although nobody can know for sure what split was re ages and in any case if one wanted to one could spin the split if there was one into " older ones seen it both ways so can chose better"); every single member of public interviewed wallowing for their friends from eu that will need to go back and their favourite nurses being foreign instead of people being happy there is hope to control immigration; scaremongering ( europe will not want us and we will go stone age )instead of " countries keen to negotiate with us trade deals"; "pound drops, armageddon arrived " instead of " all developed countries were in a race which currency drops more, now we are winning it'and so on

Thrugelmir

justme111 wrote: »

Ah. There is a petition for that as well.
But whoever funds it is secondary , my grievance is that there seem to be no independent media..

Media creates the news when there's none to tell.

Tomorrow the sun will rise and a new day begins.

CLAPTON

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Media creates the news when there's none to tell.

Tomorrow the sun will rise and a new day begins.

past performance is not an indicator of the future

Thrugelmir

kinger101 wrote: »

Stock markets fell globally, so this isn't just about some comments made by the in campaign.

For the record.

Global economic policy urgently needs rebalancing, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) said on Sunday, as the world faces a "risky trinity" of high debt, low productivity growth and dwindling firepower at the world's big central banks.

The BIS, an umbrella body for major central banks, said in its annual report that the global economy was highly exposed even before Thursday's vote by Britain to leave the European Union.

"There are worrying developments, a sort of "risky trinity", that bear watching," said the head of the BIS monetary and economic department, Claudio Borio.

"Productivity growth that is unusually low, casting a shadow over future improvements in living standards; global debt levels that are historically high, raising financial stability risks; and room for policy maneuver that is remarkably narrow."

He said the global economy cannot afford to rely any longer on the debt-fueled growth model that has brought it to the current juncture.

Despite sub-zero interest rates and trillions of dollars of stimulus, Europe and Japan's central banks are struggling to lift inflation and growth. Markets have grown accustomed to that support, but they are growing concerned the firepower is mostly spent.

"Should this situation be stretched to the point of shaking public confidence in policymaking, the consequences for financial markets and the economy could be serious."

In a separate speech, BIS head Jaime Caruana said major central banks would limit market turbulence as much as possible after Britain voted last week to leave the European Union.