just in case you think the same have your say (EU)

kinger101

chucknorris wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

They have no mechanism by which to veto this as far as I can tell. The government now has the authority to invoke article 50.

The only thing I could see that might stop this is a non confidence vote in the government followed by the election of a party the specifically campaigned on remaining in the EU. Neither the remain camps in the Conversatives or Labour are likely to do this.

mrginge

chucknorris wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Or alternatively -

Nicola sturgeon likes to talk about independence while the country she is supposed to be running falls into economic ruin and mismanagement.

chucknorris

kinger101 wrote: »

They have no mechanism by which to veto this as far as I can tell. The government now has the authority to invoke article 50.

The only thing I could see that might stop this is a non confidence vote in the government followed by the election of a party the specifically campaigned on remaining in the EU. Neither the remain camps in the Conversatives or Labour are likely to this.

They are saying that the Scottish parliament may (I guess they don't actually know) have to give legislative consent for Brexit to occur.

chris_m

mrginge wrote: »

Or alternatively -
Nicola sturgeon likes to talk about independence while the country she is supposed to be running falls into economic ruin and mismanagement.

Or alternatively -
Nicola sturgeon likes to talk.

Norman_Castle

Generali wrote: »

The !!!!wits like you that voted out should be forced to live with the consequences of what they did.

I suspect thats whats being said at the eu crisis meetings.

justme111

Generali wrote: »

The !!!!wits like you that voted out should be forced to live with the consequences of what they did.

I bet you are not the same dismissive arrogant rude person in the real life as your posts sound.
Was interesting to read someone was wallowing it will take 3 years of house of commons work to sort legislation (what we incorporate into British law and what we get rid of) post exit. Why not to celebrate the chance to reduce and sort the amount of legislation that takes one 3 years to go through?
But I could say ...wits like you do not question what they are fed by BBC.

kinger101

chucknorris wrote: »

They are saying that the Scottish parliament may (I guess they don't actually know) have to give legislative consent for Brexit to occur.

I think she knows the Scottish parliament have no say in this matter. The UK is the EU member, and it's parliament sits in Westminster. The consent was granted by the people in accordance with the EU Referendum Act 2015.

The Scotland Act 1998 specifically states foreign affairs, including the relationship with the EU, are matters reserved for Westminster.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070519074917/http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80046--t.htm#sch5

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I voted Leave and I am happy with that vote and the result. Arrogant politicians didn't even think to set a threshold because they were so out of touch with what the public wanted, they thought a Brexit majority was impossible. At the time the referendum took place, it was a majority result only that counted. So that's the way it stands. As it should do.

I am happy to wait for an exit from the EU but am a bit disturbed by talk that the only way we can have free trade is to allow free movement across borders too. But this is the same problem as letting the EU set the path for us that caused us to vote Leave. I still can't see EU countries willing to lose the trade they will if they impose tariffs. We already know (in spite of Remain's ridiculously doom and gloom forecasts) other world governments have said Brexit will increase our trade with other world governments. I have faced bullies who have terrified me in the past, and I have looked at them, thought living with you with the fear and power you create is worse than your worst. So do your worst I said, as I walked away. And every time, the look of disempowered frustration on their face was worth it, however scared I was. And what I was told would happen never did happen, and I created a new life for myself.

This is where we are now. We can't plan where we don't know all the variables, just as the experts have already been shown to be wrong (because they equally did not have all the variables, they were just telling us what they wanted us to believe). But with conviction, we can and will get through this and end up in a far better position than we have been.

I am praying that whoever ends up in charge has the courage of their original convictions. Usually if you challenge bullies, they give way. But there is no guarantee this is the way it will go, however much it should do. Juncker (excuse spelling) is showing how incompetent he is with his attitude. If they want us to stop upsetting their bullying applecart, they'd better give us what we want more than they ever have done in the past. And learn from their mistakes. But that's a bit too big a miracle I suspect.

Ordinary people have learned the lessons of the world well, unfortunately it seems Politicians have lived in a different world.., one of craven 'bargaining'.

chucknorris

kinger101 wrote: »

I think she knows the Scottish parliament have no say in this matter. The UK is the EU member, and it's parliament sits in Westminster. The consent was granted by the people in accordance with the EU Referendum Act 2015.

The Scotland Act 1998 specifically states foreign affairs, including the relationship with the EU, are matters reserved for Westminster.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070519074917/http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/80046--t.htm#sch5

Your link certainly reads that way, however there is this:
http://www.europeanfutures.ed.ac.uk/article-1826


it is at least arguable that the legislation currently going through the UK Parliament for the EU referendum constitutes an attempt to modify the powers of the devolved institutions, given that the potential effects of the referendum – the UK withdrawing from the EU and the legislative changes necessary to give effect to this – would, as I have demonstrated here, trigger the convention.

Viewed in this light, the SNP’s claim to a ‘Scottish veto’ on EU withdrawal may have a stronger basis in the constitution than would first appear.

kinger101

chucknorris wrote: »

Your link certainly reads that way, however there is this:
http://www.europeanfutures.ed.ac.uk/article-1826


it is at least arguable that the legislation currently going through the UK Parliament for the EU referendum constitutes an attempt to modify the powers of the devolved institutions, given that the potential effects of the referendum – the UK withdrawing from the EU and the legislative changes necessary to give effect to this – would, as I have demonstrated here, trigger the convention.

Viewed in this light, the SNP’s claim to a ‘Scottish veto’ on EU withdrawal may have a stronger basis in the constitution than would first appear.

I think it would be extremely difficult to get a judge to believe parliament's intention in the Scotland Act was not clear. Perhaps they are trying to manufacture some uncertainty as the reality is a Scoltand Out referendum is also a matter for Westminster.