just in case you think the same have your say (EU)

justme111

https://www.change.org/p/everyone-stop-all-petitions-trying-to-make-us-hold-another-referendum?recruiter=562236923&utm_source=petitions_share&utm_medium=copylink

I can not believe out supporters and activists are blamed for not having a plan - it is job of right government officials to have plan , not them ! The same officials that sabotaged any preparation for "leave". I am gobsmacked at rudeness and aggression coming from the losing side. I am saddened to listen to bbc putting a negative spin on the result. It looks to me like a ploy by establishment to get the result they want by hook or crook.

Generali

justme111 wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/everyone-stop-all-petitions-trying-to-make-us-hold-another-referendum?recruiter=562236923&utm_source=petitions_share&utm_medium=copylink

I can not believe out supporters and activists are blamed for not having a plan - it is job of right government officials to have plan , not them ! The same officials that sabotaged any preparation for "leave". I am gobsmacked at rudeness and aggression coming from the losing side. I am saddened to listen to bbc putting a negative spin on the result. It looks to me like a ploy by establishment to get the result they want by hook or crook.

There absolutely should not be a second referendum. The !!!!wits like you that voted out should be forced to live with the consequences of what they did.

wymondham

Generali wrote: »

There absolutely should not be a second referendum. The !!!!wits like you that voted out should be forced to live with the consequences of what they did.

Maybe, just maybe this may be eventually be a good thing Gen - change isn't always bad... this may pan out better than anyone hoped, as at present predictions always seem to be way off.......

kinger101

I might have a petition to ask the government to ignore your counter-petition.

For your information, the petition everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about was actually stated before the referendum by an anti-EU person. It's just so badly worded that the in-camp now believe it supports remain when in fact it's nonsensical.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit

For the less bright folks who can't spot the problem (apart from missing "on"), one of the votes (leave or remain) would always have to be less than 60%.

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Kohoutek

Holding a second referendum might sound ridiculous, but to me it's less ridiculous than wrecking the country on the basis of a small majority for Leave procured by lies and fraud.

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe this may be eventually be a good thing Gen - change isn't always bad... this may pan out better than anyone hoped, as at present predictions always seem to be way off.......

Maybe. I have very grave doubts.

kinger101

Kohoutek wrote: »

Holding a second referendum might sound ridiculous, but to me it's less ridiculous than wrecking the country on the basis of a small majority for Leave procured by lies and fraud.

I personally wouldn't have minded a higher threshold being set for leave before the referendum given the gravity and likely permanence of the outcome. But it was a majority vote, and the consequences for democracy are more severe if it's ignored. In any event, ignoring it will likely result in a UKIP government in 2020, and I certainly don't want them negotiating our future.

Yolina

Generali wrote: »

There absolutely should not be a second referendum. The !!!!wits like you that voted out should be forced to live with the consequences of what they did.

kinger101 wrote: »

I personally wouldn't have minded a higher threshold being set for leave before the referendum given the gravity and likely permanence of the outcome. But it was a majority vote, and the consequences for democracy are more severe if it's ignored. In any event, ignoring it will likely result in a UKIP government in 2020, and I certainly don't want them negotiating our future.

I agree with both. Not matter how much I would have preferred Remain to win, people need to learn that actions have consequences - the country has voted out, it's not like a computer game where you can start again when you've f*cked up. Maybe now a few more people will actually think when asked to vote on something.

And yes there should have been threshold set beforehand - someone obviously had a brainfart.

mrginge

Yolina wrote: »

I agree with both. Not matter how much I would have preferred Remain to win, people need to learn that actions have consequences - the country has voted out, it's not like a computer game where you can start again when you've f*cked up. Maybe now a few more people will actually think when asked to vote on something.

And yes there should have been threshold set beforehand - someone obviously had complete brainfart.

If you set a threshold on a simple change / no change decision then you render a no change vote pointless.

I would rather see a threshold in place for a question like, do A or do B, with a threshold failure representing the status quo.

chucknorris

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

MPD

There absolutely should be a second referendum but not on the in/out EU question. The question should be in/out the single market. If we stay in then as a natural consequence we would accept free movement, EU laws and paying into the EU budget. Without another vote we could have a final agreement that leaves everybody feeling betrayed.