Change brings out the best in us

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes you are right
the political ruling class and the socio-political elite have learnt nothing (you know the people you have been secretly been worshiping for years whilst pretending to be on the side of the worling people)
still better that walking in the shoes of the IRA[/

How can I be both a worshipper of the ruling class and an IRA supporter at the same time. Take your nonsensical drivel elsewhere you boring troll.

Sapphire

Conrad wrote: »

I've had all the main channels on all day and it's noticeable how many of the voices that said we would not be able to cope with change, are now stepping up to the plate and tapping into their mental resource and fortitude, now talking about how WE CAN make the best of the opportunities before us.


Vince Cable just now saying how clever people will be thinking of ways to bring us through this and restore full confidence whereas previously he was a sage of gloom.


Frances O'Grady suddenly saying we must all throw our energy into the endeavour and pull through


Change brings out the best in us. That's why we will thrive - pure emotion, invention and drive, not graphs and IMF charts

I agree. I feel very positive and glad we were given the opportunity for Britain to leave the strange construct the EU has become. I am totally opposed to 'ever-closer political union' and strongly for democracy, and the way this project has been run by Merkel and Juncker (how on earth did the latter, who acts like a petty dictator, even get near power?). Had the EU been in the least bit willing to concede to our requests, then we may well have remained – but I think we need change. The markets also seem to reflect this. According to the Spectator:

'The predictions were that the London market would go into meltdown if we voted to leave the EU. It would be Lehman Brothers all over again, except probably far worse. The index could lose 20 per cent or 30 per cent of its value we were told. In fact, by lunchtime the FTSE had lost 260 points, or 4.2%. That’s a nasty hit. But it’s only fallen back to its level of, er, last Friday. In effect, a week of gains have been lost. It is still up on the beginning of February. You need a very fevered imagination to describe that as a catastrophe.

The really heavy losses are on the other side of the English Channel. Madrid’s IBEX 35 is down by 12.5 per cent. Milan’s MIB is down by 11 per cent. In Paris the CAC-40 is off by 8.4 per cent and even Germany’s mighty DAX is off by 7 per cent. In short, the losses across Europe are far worse than ours. That is, to say the least, a bit odd. After all, Brexit is meant to be an economic catastrophe for us, not for our neighbours, who have all been wise enough to stay in the EU, and will carry on enjoying all its wonderful economic benefits.'

I also think that the referendum has been a wake-up call to politicians to start listening to the people. Some seem to be acting according to their own agenda, rather than for the people they represent. The fact that they will have to take responsibility for our country, rather than blaming the EU for not acting in ways people want, is a good thing, in my view.

I am sorry for Cameron, but he should have stepped back and let someone else run the Remain campaign, which was really bad. The response from Brits when they are challenged and threatened generally tends to be a bolshy one.

I agree also that change brings out the best in us. It is an opportunity, and I look forward to seeing where this will take us. :j

And I'm not saying by any means that we should be isolationist, or stop the immigration of people we need for our economy, but a free for all, open-border migration policy when the economies of mainland Europe are breaking down and there is high unemployment in certain countries – and when it is suggested that poor countries like Albania should join the EU – would quickly ruin our economy.

MiserlyMartin

You guys need to chill out. I don't see what you are panicking about. Even Nigel Farage etc said there would be market volatility in the event of a Brexit. It's all expected and temporary. It's media hysteria. In the longer term the Euro will fail, the UK will prosper as an independent, stronger, fully democratic nation once more. There is no need for the EU

elantan

I have listened to a lot of the people that were very dissapointed with the vote, it sharply brings me back to where I was on September 19th, the pain still catches me occasionally, it was one of the worst experiences of my life that I don't think I have ever fully accepted it, and it really did effect me more than I ever expected

I am sorry you feel this pain and I wish it wasn't so, I don't know what to suggest to help you through it but I do hope it's not as painful for you as I experienced.

Today, however, in your pain I felt a slight flicker of relief and hope, I truly hope my country will choose independence this time, I hope for those suffering that in a short while your pain will ease and maybe there will be a way out ..

And for the victors I express congratulations, I hope what you voted for is what you experience. Please remember though others are suffering

Moby

elantan wrote: »

I have listened to a lot of the people that were very dissapointed with the vote, it sharply brings me back to where I was on September 19th, the pain still catches me occasionally, it was one of the worst experiences of my life that I don't think I have ever fully accepted it, and it really did effect me more than I ever expected

I am sorry you feel this pain and I wish it wasn't so, I don't know what to suggest to help you through it but I do hope it's not as painful for you as I experienced.

Today, however, in your pain I felt a slight flicker of relief and hope, I truly hope my country will choose independence this time, I hope for those suffering that in a short while your pain will ease and maybe there will be a way out ..

And for the victors I express congratulations, I hope what you voted for is what you experience. Please remember though others are suffering

The irony is this decision to turn our back on Europe and become little Englanders is the very thing that will give you your new indy ref and will in all probability result in the break up of the Union. I hear Sturgeon wants it sorted within two years. So your dream has reignited! Go for it and escape the small time future that looks in prospect for the rest of us poor sods:o

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

I've had all the main channels on all day and it's noticeable how many of the voices that said we would not be able to cope with change, are now stepping up to the plate and tapping into their mental resource and fortitude, now talking about how WE CAN make the best of the opportunities before us.

Some of the voting patterns were stark. You didn't need to be poorly educated to have voted leave but..

It's not a surprise the educated are stepping in. They're the people who are going to have to step to shape the future and make the most of it. Of course the people stepping up to the plate aren't doing this for purely altruistic reasons to make Mr. Disaffected of Sunderland happy - they're doing it to lobby for their vision of the future.

Moby

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great-britain/our-services/citizenship/born-outside-ireland/foreign-births-registration-guide/

wotsthat

elantan wrote: »

I have listened to a lot of the people that were very dissapointed with the vote, it sharply brings me back to where I was on September 19th, the pain still catches me occasionally, it was one of the worst experiences of my life that I don't think I have ever fully accepted it, and it really did effect me more than I ever expected

I am sorry you feel this pain and I wish it wasn't so, I don't know what to suggest to help you through it but I do hope it's not as painful for you as I experienced.

Today, however, in your pain I felt a slight flicker of relief and hope, I truly hope my country will choose independence this time, I hope for those suffering that in a short while your pain will ease and maybe there will be a way out ..

And for the victors I express congratulations, I hope what you voted for is what you experience. Please remember though others are suffering

Suffering? Pain?

If you're still finding yourself having a little cry when you think back to the Scottish referendum you probably ought to talk to someone.

Mistermeaner

elantan wrote: »

I have listened to a lot of the people that were very dissapointed with the vote, it sharply brings me back to where I was on September 19th, the pain still catches me occasionally, it was one of the worst experiences of my life that I don't think I have ever fully accepted it, and it really did effect me more than I ever expected

I am sorry you feel this pain and I wish it wasn't so, I don't know what to suggest to help you through it but I do hope it's not as painful for you as I experienced.

Today, however, in your pain I felt a slight flicker of relief and hope, I truly hope my country will choose independence this time, I hope for those suffering that in a short while your pain will ease and maybe there will be a way out ..

And for the victors I express congratulations, I hope what you voted for is what you experience. Please remember though others are suffering

You're weird.

ruggedtoast

Jon_B wrote: »

We don't have one now.

As the day has gone on, the feelings of dispair have only grown. Putting my 2 year old to bed was quite surreal in that I wonder what future lies ahead for her and the rest of my family.

The world has just shrunk. My own son now no longer has a future where he can easily live anywhere in the EU. Scotland will be gone soon then we'll be a small island with tiny horizons.

40 years of integration torn up overnight. And for what? So a bunch of ignorant closet racists and pensioners can swagger around waving England flags for a couple of days. I am fcking furious, and a very long way from the point where I can see myself 'working with them'.

They can choke on the mess they have made.