A Brexiters view

chucknorris

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Sounds as if you live in the not my problem camp.

I don't worry about things that I can't personally change (other than the tiny weighting of one vote).

CLAPTON

spadoosh wrote: »

And here in lies the problem. Economics is not about money (well it shouldnt be) its about the allocation of resources.

Lets say that £1 means i cant afford to get my new contract phone. That means there is less demand for smartphones. That means maybe some guys in china will lose their factory jobs. The factory no longer needs as many raw materials that means the guy mining some rare earth metal used for my phone that poisons him, his local environment, and the further environment might lose their job too.

Do those men need money? No they need food, water and shelter.

China (and many other parts of the world) are facing big issues with country folk moving to cities to earn the $$$ (which theyve seen the europeans do). There moving to the cities to make pointless crap that no one really needs and there going from jobs that people do really need like food production.

So how does it help them? It gets them away from a job they shouldnt need to be doing. That ruins the environment their health and their economies. Yes, they do need to survive, people managed to survive before we needed loads of consumable rubbish.

Or you can give them a quid and let them buy more rubbish.

The world needs to take a hit on its monetary value, people need to learn to 'need' less. Or at the least need less things that are extremely damaging.

The problem is no one wants to come out and say the UK is grossly overvalued because its economy is made up more or less completely of luxury goods or services that in reality serve little purpose in the betterment of peoples lives.

Im not going to convince people to lose out on their luxuries by saying think of the damage you needing a new phone is doing. So the referendum is a rare opportunity to force some (what i think is) sense into people. An oppotunity to change the status quo. If i vote remain, its a 'good job' to a finance driven system that i do not agree with.

What can i do? I want the world to change. How is saying crack on boys doing what your doing, going to change things?

maybe we could try ..from each according to their abilities and to each according to their needs
it didn't work too out well last time it was tried but........

Thrugelmir

chucknorris wrote: »

I don't worry about things that I can't personally change (other than the tiny weighting of one vote).

People tend not to care until it directly affects them. Then it's often too late.

spadoosh

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe we could try ..from each according to their abilities and to each according to their needs
it didn't work too out well last time it was tried but........

Lol, 'call him a communist thatll shut him up'.

We've got our priorities wrong thats all im saying. Theres much brighter people than me who can work out how to do things, unfortunately i dont think they are the current leaders of the EU.

chucknorris

Thrugelmir wrote: »

People tend not to care until it directly affects them. Then it's often too late.

Worst case scenario our assets drop by about £1m (isn't going to change our lives and because they are illiquid, there isn't any point in worrying about it). They dropped by £1m in 2008 (but currently up over £2m from that point in time). Time (years of life left) is my most valuable commodity now, not much point in worrying about that either.

CLAPTON

spadoosh wrote: »

Lol, 'call him a communist thatll shut him up'.

We've got our priorities wrong thats all im saying. Theres much brighter people than me who can work out how to do things, unfortunately i dont think they are the current leaders of the EU.

There is nothing wrong with believing that the current system is wrong; I'm just trying to express the idea that alternatives may be worse.

Rinoa

Question for the remainers. Should the EU be involved with this?

The ambassadors of the 28 European Union member states had agreed to secrecy. “Under no circumstances” should the public learn what was said at the talks that took place on March 23rd, the European Commission warned during the meeting of the Permanent Representatives Committee… Under the heading “TOP 37: Country fiches,” the leading diplomats that day discussed a plan that the EU member states had agreed to: They would work together with dictatorships around the Horn of Africa in order to stop the refugee flows to Europe — under Germany’s leadership.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/eu-to-work-with-despot-in-sudan-to-keep-refugees-out-a-1092328.html

Thrugelmir

chucknorris wrote: »

Worst case scenario our assets drop by about £1m (isn't going to change our lives and because they are illiquid, there isn't any point in worrying about it). They dropped by £1m in 2008 (but currently up over £2m from that point in time). Time (years of life left) is my most valuable commodity now, not much point in worrying about that either.

Just enjoy every day that you open your eyes and be happy. You can take memories with you but not material goods nor money.

chucknorris

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Just enjoy every day that you open your eyes and be happy. You can take memories with you but not material goods nor money.

That's exactly what I am trying to do. The money merely funds my time left.

spadoosh

CLAPTON wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with believing that the current system is wrong; I'm just trying to express the idea that alternatives may be worse.

Seeing as we are quoting

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Whilst i wasnt alive for the past you speak of i certainly am aware of it, as the majority of people on the planet will be.

We are brighter than this. Or at least I would hope we are.