A Brexiters view

spadoosh

BobQ wrote: »

So you are a selfish person, loads of them about.

So you think that a vote for Brexit will stop us going round in circles (whatever that means), you do not need brains to believe in something.

You no doubt identify with the belief that being directionless (if that is what you believe), is best replaced with following a clear direction. The tragedy is that the direct you are being lead is the wrong direction.

Looking after yourself alone makes sense to you, but you will not escape the recession we would enter by leaving.

On the contrary, im one of the few who seems willing to accept that i will be worse off after i vote brexit. Thats the harsh reality. And woudltn say that was selfish

I keep hearing about stronger in, better off staying in and the only arguments seem economic. Weve crapped all over countries to get us to the stage we are at. And me being sat here on a computer living in ease when there is people starving around the world due to MY ignorance is selfish.

I want to be worse off, i want to be more equal with the average person on this planet. Im not scared of losing out, im scared for being remembered as someone who doesnt want to lose out or who isnt willing to make sacrifices due to greed and the fact that i need my two cars, smartphone and other rubbish that people have lost their lives earning sod all to provide for me.

Im voting brexit because im ashamed how easy my life is. Im voting brexit because i feel guilty.

The EU just wants to make its numbers look good, tell everyone their getting richer, tell everyone their lives are better because they can buy pointless goods.

I dont know about clear direction. You say im wrong, sorry you will not make me believe that. I believe its wrong to maintain the status quo when it involves soo much inequality. You on about the guys leading the brexit campaigns, completely agree most give the impression of being borderline crazy at the least. You think i would vote for them? You think the electorate would vote for them? Do you not think we could vote for one of the less crazy? Or if we vote brexit do i have to vote UKIP because that will not happen. I dont pledge allegiance to a poltical party, my views are fluid and are not bound by the manifesto of a single political party.

Im not sure what power Europe has, the remain side suggest it has the power to influence the world. Why hasnt it? Why is my life sooo much easier than the majority of the rest of the world. The only thing they have done is to enrich the lives of some its member states. Go on you tell me how that is not selfish?

Lol, im selfish, youre the one whose scared to lose a few quid out of your pocket.

Moby

chucknorris wrote: »

Only banter, Wales have an excellent chance of progressing, even if they lose to Russia they might still go through as a better 3rd placed team, but lets hope that it doesn't come to that.

17 is a great age to reach, good to hear that she still fit and healthy. My Lab is only 5.5, so hopefully he has many happy years left. I am retiring this December so he is going to get even more walks than he is used to soon. After dropping him off at the vets this morning I was missing him within a few minutes, the house is too empty without him.

To be fair England deserved that victory....it was a bit like the Alamo but we couldn't hold out! We'll see what happens on Monday night....be great if we could both go through!
It's fantastic he's only five.....the one cloud in my life is the age of my Dachsies:(...17>15>14..........but all you can do is enjoy life day to day with them! I hope to retire in about 12 months.....hopefully they'll all still be around.

Thrugelmir

chucknorris wrote: »

Why you are such a downer?

Sounds as if you live in the not my problem camp.

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

Not sure how that informs you Britain will continue to get nastier, smaller, less honest, ruder, lazier and less law abiding.

That's a daily experience these days. Culture has changed.

Fleabite

This is an email I received from a shoe company I buy from (retail) telling his experience of dealing with the EU. He tried his best and went through many hoops to try to get fair treatment. The tax was only removed in order to trade with China because EU needed it, not because HE needed it. Unfortunately, he is only a small company and so doesn't matter!




"5 Years ago Italian Shoe trade were in a mess loosing trade to shoes made in China. So Italy asked their friends in the European Union to help them.

The European government gladly helped Italy (Probably for favours in return) by setting a extra Tax on shoes coming from China. Large companies paid around 17% extra tax. Medissa due to being small paid in reality around 40% extra tax. On top of the 20% tax already in place by the UK government.
Medissa shoes contacted all the UK parties to ask them to help us.

The Conservative government were not interested.
The Liberals/Democrats told us that it was a good tax and they backed Europe.
The Labour party engaged several people trying to help us in what they called a scandal, but after 6 months told us that unfortunately the British government have very little power in Europe. They advised us to put an appeal in to Brussels ourselves.
Nigel Farage replied in person saying that any such appeal would just waste our time and money as the European Parliament simply will not do anything at all.

We appealed.

We had to send approximately 5000 photo copies of all our bookwork. They wanted to see everything to do with our finances. Down to the price we paid for toilet rolls. We reluctantly agreed. They then sent two people over from Belgium to look at our books.

All went well and they then wanted the same information from the USA companies and the Chinese’s factories. They received a great deal of information and co-operation from China and the USA. The European government then wanted to send people over to China and the USA to look at the company’s books. Europe believe they have the right to do whatever they want. The companies appologised to us, saying they could not believe the request.

Medissa then had to go over to Brussels to have the case reviewed. It was reviewed around a large table by 10 people. Comments of how other countries just ignored the rules and that the UK could likewise were made. The level of knowledge about business from the 8 people that interviewed us was infantile.
The outcome of the case was that they agreed that the Tax on our shoes was unfair. However as it was law nothing could be done about it.

They were reviewing many other cases each day.
How much money is wasted on employing so many people and sending them all over the world to review such cases?

Europe as now removed the tax as every country is bending over backwards to deal with China.
There are reasons to stay in Europe and reasons to leave Europe. It is a shame that so many lies are being told about how Europe works.

All companies that Medissa deal with will continue to deal with us from Italy, Spain, Germany, China and the USA. Leaving would not affect our trading anywhere in the world."

wotsthat

spadoosh wrote: »

I want to be worse off, i want to be more equal with the average person on this planet.

Have you considered voting to stay, being better off and making charitable donations? You'd be poorer, they'd be richer and the gap would be even smaller.

I can't see how you being £1 worse off helps a poor person unless there's a mechanism whereby every £1 you don't have somehow turns up in the poor person's pocket.

posh*spice

wotsthat wrote: »

Have you considered voting to stay, being better off and making charitable donations? You'd be poorer, they'd be richer and the gap would be even smaller.

I can't see how you being £1 worse off helps a poor person unless there's a mechanism whereby every £1 you don't have somehow turns up in the poor person's pocket.

Strange that the working classes are voting to make themselves poorer on mass by voting Leave?

Demographically, socio-economic groups AB and C1 both lean towards supporting Britain’s membership of the EU. These groups, broadly speaking, represent Britain’s middle class, professionals, and administrative workers.

socio-economic groups C2 and DE disproportionately back the UK leaving the EU. Together these groups can, generally, be seen as working-class voters, working in skilled and unskilled manual roles, as well as those dependent on state benefits

http://www.populus.co.uk/2016/05/brexit-index-whos-remain-leave-supporters/

I guess they shouldn't read The Sun on mass

Thrugelmir

posh*spice wrote: »

Strange that the working classes are voting to make themselves poorer on mass by voting Leave?

Is your reference to GDP, or some other measure.

What about the Middle classes?

CLAPTON

posh*spice wrote: »

Strange that the working classes are voting to make themselves poorer on mass by voting Leave?



http://www.populus.co.uk/2016/05/brexit-index-whos-remain-leave-supporters/

I guess they shouldn't read The Sun on mass

maybe ordinary people are good at judging their own priorities for themselves.

why would anyone be pleased that 'people still in fulltime education' are the most likely to support their cause?
These people are the people that support all the madcap youthful stupidities (smashing up banks, believing in suppressing free speak at Unis (no platforming) and of course the vast majority grow up and change their mind once they get a little experience of life.

spadoosh

wotsthat wrote: »

Have you considered voting to stay, being better off and making charitable donations? You'd be poorer, they'd be richer and the gap would be even smaller.

I can't see how you being £1 worse off helps a poor person unless there's a mechanism whereby every £1 you don't have somehow turns up in the poor person's pocket.

And here in lies the problem. Economics is not about money (well it shouldnt be) its about the allocation of resources.

Lets say that £1 means i cant afford to get my new contract phone. That means there is less demand for smartphones. That means maybe some guys in china will lose their factory jobs. The factory no longer needs as many raw materials that means the guy mining some rare earth metal used for my phone that poisons him, his local environment, and the further environment might lose their job too.

Do those men need money? No they need food, water and shelter.

China (and many other parts of the world) are facing big issues with country folk moving to cities to earn the $$$ (which theyve seen the europeans do). There moving to the cities to make pointless crap that no one really needs and there going from jobs that people do really need like food production.

So how does it help them? It gets them away from a job they shouldnt need to be doing. That ruins the environment their health and their economies. Yes, they do need to survive, people managed to survive before we needed loads of consumable rubbish.

Or you can give them a quid and let them buy more rubbish.

The world needs to take a hit on its monetary value, people need to learn to 'need' less. Or at the least need less things that are extremely damaging.

The problem is no one wants to come out and say the UK is grossly overvalued because its economy is made up more or less completely of luxury goods or services that in reality serve little purpose in the betterment of peoples lives.

Im not going to convince people to lose out on their luxuries by saying think of the damage you needing a new phone is doing. So the referendum is a rare opportunity to force some (what i think is) sense into people. An oppotunity to change the status quo. If i vote remain, its a 'good job' to a finance driven system that i do not agree with.

What can i do? I want the world to change. How is saying crack on boys doing what your doing, going to change things?