Brexit - Economic impact?

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Afternoon my little troll. I was talking about the future scenario of Brexit govmt. Just saying the prospect of looney tunes little Englanders steering the tiller brings me out in a cold sweat.

You are guaranteed and ever right wards moving Britain if we remain in the EU and cannot control our immigration let alone economy properly

The EU is bringing lots of far right parties to the fore.

It's a failed project, and when the next 4 poor countries join shortly things will get even worse

Have confidence in your nation.
Imagine all the fishing jobs wifi to to be created when we win back our fishing grounds, these are in plenty of labour areas.

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Yes I understand that. But why do you lot have so little confidence in your position that you believe you will never be able to dislodge them?

How can you hope to pursuade the wider electorate to support you with such self defeatism?

Slagging off farage for being a nut job is all very well, but he's a nut job that's done a hell of a lot better than the left at getting his message across and building a support base.

Good point......but he's a protester. He has never been in Government. He has never had to compromise. He is a one issue politician and so are most of the others in the Brexit camp....including Boris. Are you seriously saying such people deserve to be given the reigns of power. For instance what's Farage's policy on the NHS, workers rights, the Unions etc ?????
Same with Boris.....he believes in nothing apart from his own desire to be PM.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/14/jeremy-corbyn-attacks-wolves-in-sheeps-clothing-johnson-farage

They really are an oddball shower and there is no plan for the future:-
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/14/priti-patel-struggles-to-explain-how-uk-would-spend-cash-not-sent-to-eu

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

You are guaranteed and ever right wards moving Britain if we remain in the EU and cannot control our immigration let alone economy properly

The EU is bringing lots of far right parties to the fore.

It's a failed project, and when the next 4 poor countries join shortly things will get even worse

Have confidence in your nation.
Imagine all the fishing jobs wifi to to be created when we win back our fishing grounds, these are in plenty of labour areas.

I do have confidence in our nation.....that's why we should be at all the top tables. The EU is not going away. It's not going to collapse. It's going to struggle through this bad period and we need to be there directing it ....not taking our ball away and closing the door. We need to move towards a Federal Europe in which Britain, Germany, France etc co-operate in more and more areas including defence, the environment, border control and yes a single currency imo. That is the way of the future. It's hard work and unrewarding at times because the bureaucracy gets in the way and I acknowledge these issues need to be overcome but ultimately it is the right way to go. We missed the boat at the end of WW2. Churchill let France and Germany decide the course of Europe, thinking we were still players independently on the world stage, DeGaulle took advantage and cut us out for as long as he could. The Empire went its own way to independence and we were left begging to be let in! Don't let that happen again! The only people who will be happy are Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen and Vladimir Putin!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I do have confidence in our nation.....that's why we should be at all the top tables.

but you don't have confidence in the people as you clearly don't want our parliament elected by our voters to make our laws.

We need to move towards a Federal Europe in which Britain, Germany, France etc co-operate in more and more areas including defence, the environment, border control and yes a single currency imo.

madness
but at least it would ensure labour won't be in power in my lifetime (and I'm planning a long life).

Thrugelmir

We need to move towards a Federal Europe in which Britain, Germany, France etc co-operate in more and more areas including defence, the environment, border control and yes a single currency imo.

That's out of touch with the mood that's gaining traction across Europe. Big is not beautiful.

Kohoutek

wymondham wrote: »

indeed it could.... but it might not be half as bad as people predict - you can't say that people will be significantly worse off without doubt as nobody knows (its pretty much all guess work) ... both sides are very passionate about their views which is nice for a change... both sides push their views and believe them to be absolutely right... I feel as passionately as you obviously do!

It's not really guesswork, it's common sense.

Around half (44% to be precise) of the UK's exports are to the EU. If you were running a business, do you think it would be good or bad for your business to severely damage your relationship with your biggest customer?

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

It's not really guesswork, it's common sense.

Around half (44% to be precise) of the UK's exports are to the EU. If you were running a business, do you think it would be good or bad for your business to severely damage your relationship with your biggest customer?

most trade is carried out on the basis of mutual advantage.

there is no reason why (say) our relationship with BMW will be severely damaged by our wish to regain control of our democracy.
why would that be?

wymondham

Kohoutek wrote: »

It's not really guesswork, it's common sense.

Around half (44% to be precise) of the UK's exports are to the EU. If you were running a business, do you think it would be good or bad for your business to severely damage your relationship with your biggest customer?

nobody knows how our trading partners will react - If and only if we do Brexit then we'll see exactly what occurs...

Thrugelmir

Kohoutek wrote: »

It's not really guesswork, it's common sense.

Around half (44% to be precise) of the UK's exports are to the EU. If you were running a business, do you think it would be good or bad for your business to severely damage your relationship with your biggest customer?

The EU exports more to us than we sell to them ,also parts of the EU are highly dependent on tourism. There's some real crap being bandied about.....

Digby Jones ex head of the CBI is interesting to listen to. Selling into Europe isn't as easy as it should be. Still plenty of local protectionism. No everyone actually adheres to free trade like the Brits do. They've more sense than to do that.

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU exports more to us than we sell to them ,also parts of the EU are highly dependent on tourism. There's some real crap being bandied about.....

Digby Jones ex head of the CBI is interesting to listen to. Selling into Europe isn't as easy as it should be. Still plenty of local protectionism. No everyone actually adheres to free trade like the Brits do. They've more sense than to do that.

Well you didn't bother to substantiate that with any facts or statistics, so forgive me if I consider your post to be "real crap".