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Brexit - Economic impact?
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indeed it could.... but it might not be half as bad as people predict - you can't say that people will be significantly worse off without doubt as nobody knows (its pretty much all guess work) ...
Even some on the out side agree that there WILL be a short term impact on the economy. They just cannot agree how long it will last.You mention the Brexit camp lie, but the Remain camp are not without fault, peddling fear about how much you'll loose, how much it will cost you, how poor you'll be - always about the finance. They never touch on pretty much any other aspect, when there is so much more that people find important.
If you believe that it does not matter if the economy is affected in the short term, then being told the negative impacts could be seen as peddling fear. But that does not mean that what they say is not true. If I tell you that the cliff edge you are standing on is unsafe, am I peddling fear or helping you?I personally have difficulty voting to stay in a system where I can't vote out those in charge - this is anti-democratic. Without our democratic right we have very little else... I know we discussed this before, but the reality is that it can't be done.
But you can vote for change. You can change your national government, so you can change your decision maker at the Council of Ministers. You can change your MEP and so change our position in the EU parliament. I agree that you cannot ensure that the UK is always on the right side of the argument in an EU decision, but can you guarantee that in the UK Parliament either. Calling the EU anti-democratic is absurd if you believe your view is the only one that matters. Besides the UK Parliament retains competence to decide on most areas of policy.I find DC to be very unpatriotic by talking Britain down and happy to keep handing power he should have and be using for the benefit of his own country to Brussels.
Patriotism is a love of one's country, which sometimes means telling people that they are in danger of making a mistake.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »The UK is burdened with a high level of personal debt amongst other issues. But don't let that fog your view. Wealth transfer to the few has increased in Europe as a whole to the detriment of the majority.
As it has in the UK.
The fact remains that our economy has grown more in the past 40 years than it was growing in the years beforehand. Forty years ago we were going cap in hand to the IMF for a loan.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
wymondham, I really am curious, which period in UK history are you hoping to return to when you say we could be a proud nation again if we vote to leave? It's an important point to clarify if this is how you are deciding to vote I think.0
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- people what to vote to kick out unpopular policies without being told it is 'impossible' because it needs the agreement of 27 other head of state plus votes in their local parliaments and the EU parliament : give a good wind lets say 5 years for a decision
Like when we the public wanted to control bankers bonuses and our Government said no even though the EU wanted to do it.-one of those things is to regain control of the numbers of immigrants that can come into the country.
It will never happen The Government already controls non-EU immigration and allows in more of them than the EU migrants who come. Why does the Government not control non-EU immigration. The answer is we need them. I know you say otherwise, but if you are right why has that been allowed to continue?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Like when we the public wanted to control bankers bonuses and our Government said no even though the EU wanted to do it.
Democracy is imperfect: abolishing it is not the solution.
We could have voted for an alternative party to control bankers bonuses if that was important to us.
I don't claim that the EU is totally undemocractic but the level of democracy is insufficient. The steps and timescale of changing EU laws are too long and tortuous; and there are too many different cultures and priorites involved.
It will never happen The Government already controls non-EU immigration and allows in more of them than the EU migrants who come. Why does the Government not control non-EU immigration. The answer is we need them. I know you say otherwise, but if you are right why has that been allowed to continue?
indeed, all parties have conspired to allow immigration irrespective of the rhetoric.
However I see that as a fault that we, the voters have caused , and not the system.
I believe that if brexit win and we are free to control immigration, then there may be real change : but that will depend upon whether people feel strongly enough relative to other priorities.
You seem to becoming very close to be saying that we may as well get rid of democracy and rely on rule by bureuocracts.
A view I don't share.0 -
As it has in the UK.
The fact remains that our economy has grown more in the past 40 years than it was growing in the years beforehand. Forty years ago we were going cap in hand to the IMF for a loan.
isn't that true of USA, Canada, Aus, NZ, S Korea etc
and more the impact of Thatcher than the EU?0 -
suddenly so many brits so worried about the EU not being democratic enough, where are they when they're called to vote for the european parliament? It's all about immigration and a not-so-veiled sense of being superior to all these 'bloody foreigners'. At least if they were honest about it...0
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wymondham, I really am curious, which period in UK history are you hoping to return to when you say we could be a proud nation again if we vote to leave? It's an important point to clarify if this is how you are deciding to vote I think.
I mean in effect to have strong leadership. I find it interesting that those in power seem to relish handing this over and hiding behind the excuse that is so often the EU when they don't want to make decisions. Does that make sense? its difficult to describe but it all seems so unaccountable...0 -
You seem to becoming very close to be saying that we may as well get rid of democracy and rely on rule by bureuocracts.
A view I don't share.
Neither do I. You seem to keep assuming what you think people mean.:)Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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