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Aylesbury_Duck

kraken776 wrote: »

How many times are you going to repeat the same failed arguments against me?

As many times as is required to address your changing story and your attempts to confound people's genuine questions by referring them to various chapters of a developing plot.

kraken776 wrote: »

I did respond to that in post #591

You really didn't. You said "I'm not going to go through the maths myself...". That speaks volumes.

kraken776 wrote: »

I also asked a follow up question in post #599

Ah yes, the time-honoured tactic of responding to question you don't want to answer with one of your own.

kraken776 wrote: »

How hard to you think it would be for me to make reference to my answer.

Very, because you didn't provide one!

Joe_Horner

kraken776 wrote: »

Sigh, i have pointed this out before
It is not about the number of posts for/against me that matters.
It is the number of individual posters for/against me that matters.

The vast vast majority of the against me posts are from a small collection of repeat posters who have been repeating the same comments and often ignoring my counter points for months. The fact that they have posted 1000 times does not give their views 1000 times more weight.

bigadaj wrote: »

So how many have posted in support?

Glad you asked

Note that the figures be don't include posters who only expressed an opinion after the google link was posted because they've been unanimous in saying the OP has some blame.


Up to the point where the Google maps link was posted, the raw statistics were:

Posts saying the OP was blameless: 35
Posts saying the OP carries blame: 34

All the rest were either side tracks or asking for more info

Of those 69 posts:

9 individual posters said no blame to the OP
14 individual posters said some or all blame to the OP


BUT.....

The posts saying no blame included Aylesbury Duck at posts 116 and 122, and Nobbie1967 at post 215.

I'm no Sheldon Cooper but I believe those 3 posts may have been sarcasm. Which would reduce the indivdual no blame" posters to 7.

So that's 14 - 7 posters saying the OP carries fault.


BUT.....

Retrogamer and NBLondon changed their opinion as the thread progressed from "no fault" to "at fault".

So that's 14 - 5 posters saying the op carries fault.


BUT.....

After the google link was posted no-one else got involved on either side (there were a few random posts on tangents), but one poster (Almillar) changed his mind having seen the road layout from "no fault" to "fault".

So that's 14 posters saying the OP carries fault and 4 saying no fault.


BUT.....


19 of the 35 posts saying "no fault" were by the OP himself.

So, in terms of other posters agreeing or disagreeing with him, the final count is 3 posters agreeing and 14 disagreeing, with (not counting the OPs own posts) 16 posts agreeing and 34 posts disagreeing.

That gives:

3 posters agree with the OP
14 posters disagree with the OP

5 1/3 posts per individual poster who agrees with the OP
2 1/8 posts per poster who disagrees with the OP.


So, you've got it entirely the wrong way round, Kraken.

When you say:

"most posts say I have blame but that's from a vocal minority of posters and most posters say I don't hav blame",

what the posts themselves show is:

Most posts (when your own are included) say you have no blame, but those are from a vocal minority of posters and most posters say you DO have blame.

If we take your own posts out of the equation then:

* by far the majority of posts - 68% - say you have blame and
* by far the majority of individual posters - about 82% - say you have blame.

kraken776

bigadaj wrote: »

So how many have posted in support?

To answer that question i would have to review every single post that in this thread, clearly i am not going to do that.

bigadaj wrote: »

You have been told by a score or more of posters that you are almost certainly in the wrong.

,
Nope I have been told by some of the posters that i am wrong. as i have pointed out multiple times these are a vocal minority and no matter how many times they repeat the same message nothing will change the fact that they are in fact a minority .

In fact i pointed this out just a few hours ago
yet you have been stupid enough to make the same comment, again

bigadaj wrote: »

and the 'almost' comes from the fact that your story keeps changing.

No, my storry does not keep changing, it changed once. Even if it did keep changing i have already told a particularly stupid poster many times that this would mean nothing because there i no way for anyone other than me to know why it changed.

oink oink

bigadaj wrote: »

You have failed to take any responsibility that you aren't taking due care whilst driving a ton or more of metal around, a disaster in the making, whether theoretically or in practice.

I was taking due care, the fact that I a cyclist did something negligent and unpredictable and i was able to react in time shows that i was taking due care

kraken776

rich13348 wrote: »

The highway code is written with the laws in mind.
Rule 213 says it word for word.
Here's the link

That link does not say what you claim that it stated.
all that link shows is a group of sections of the highway code.

which part of the highway code shows the thing that you claimed the highway code says?

kraken776

Car_54 wrote: »

Road Traffic Act 1988, section 38(7):

"A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of the Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings."

but so far it has not bt i failed to observe the highway code

custardy

kraken776 wrote: »

To answer that question i would have to review every single post that in this thread, clearly i am not going to do that.

,
Nope I have been told by some of the posters that i am wrong. as i have pointed out multiple times these are a vocal minority and no matter how many times they repeat the same message nothing will change the fact that they are in fact a minority .

In fact i pointed this out just a few hours ago
yet you have been stupid enough to make the same comment, again


No, my storry does not keep changing, it changed once. Even if it did keep changing i have already told a particularly stupid poster many times that this would mean nothing because there i no way for anyone other than me to know why it changed.

oink oink


I was taking due care, the fact that I a cyclist did something negligent and unpredictable and i was able to react in time shows that i was taking due care

Are you classing a single person as the majority?

bigadaj

kraken776 wrote: »

but so far it has not bt i failed to observe the highway code

You have in some of your stories at least.

bigadaj

custardy wrote: »

Are you classing a single person as the majority?

I make it one for and a few dozen against, though probably under estimating the latter.

Wouldn't look good if it went to trial by jury unless he actually got lucky and had the one fool on the jury and the judge stubbornly refused to go for a majority verdict.

bigadaj

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Glad you asked

Note that the figures be don't include posters who only expressed an opinion after the google link was posted because they've been unanimous in saying the OP has some blame.


Up to the point where the Google maps link was posted, the raw statistics were:

Posts saying the OP was blameless: 35
Posts saying the OP carries blame: 34

All the rest were either side tracks or asking for more info

Of those 69 posts:

9 individual posters said no blame to the OP
14 individual posters said some or all blame to the OP


BUT.....

The posts saying no blame included Aylesbury Duck at posts 116 and 122, and Nobbie1967 at post 215.

I'm no Sheldon Cooper but I believe those 3 posts may have been sarcasm. Which would reduce the indivdual no blame" posters to 7.

So that's 14 - 7 posters saying the OP carries fault.


BUT.....

Retrogamer and NBLondon changed their opinion as the thread progressed from "no fault" to "at fault".

So that's 14 - 5 posters saying the op carries fault.


BUT.....

After the google link was posted no-one else got involved on either side (there were a few random posts on tangents), but one poster (Almillar) changed his mind having seen the road layout from "no fault" to "fault".

So that's 14 posters saying the OP carries fault and 4 saying no fault.


BUT.....


19 of the 35 posts saying "no fault" were by the OP himself.

So, in terms of other posters agreeing or disagreeing with him, the final count is 3 posters agreeing and 14 disagreeing, with (not counting the OPs own posts) 16 posts agreeing and 34 posts disagreeing.

That gives:

3 posters agree with the OP
14 posters disagree with the OP

5 1/3 posts per individual poster who agrees with the OP
2 1/8 posts per poster who disagrees with the OP.


So, you've got it entirely the wrong way round, Kraken.

When you say:

"most posts say I have blame but that's from a vocal minority of posters and most posters say I don't hav blame",

what the posts themselves show is:

Most posts (when your own are included) say you have no blame, but those are from a vocal minority of posters and most posters say you DO have blame.

If we take your own posts out of the equation then:

* by far the majority of posts - 68% - say you have blame and
* by far the majority of individual posters - about 82% - say you have blame.

Ever thought you've got too much time on your hands?

Aylesbury_Duck

kraken776 wrote: »

That link does not say what you claim that it stated.
all that link shows is a group of sections of the highway code.

which part of the highway code shows the thing that you claimed the highway code says?

Rule 213 does, as you well know.

I'm afraid you've been totally skewered by this and Joe Horner's post. You asked a question about the Highway Code and have been given a correct answer you don't like, and you made a statement about how the balance of the argument is in your favour which has been comprehensively debunked by Mr Horner's very thorough analysis. Your response? To the former: "I can't see it." To the latter: "I can't be bothered to check for myself." You pulled the same trick with the maths: "I'm not going to do the maths myself."

I don't believe you're a troll. You're just someone who has got himself into a difficult position by being economical with the truth and is unable to accept you're in the wrong. No matter what rational analysis or reasonable opinion is expressed, you're simply unwilling to entertain it if it doesn't fit your view of events. I ask again: If you are so certain of the course of events and your entire innocence, why start the thread at all?