The EU: IN or OUT?

atush

bigadaj wrote: »

There's still much debate about climate change, it's not just a politically correct opinion to form.

Before I get too much abuse I'm a professional in the environmental field, I'm ambivalent about it, the main positive being it earns me fees!

You are not very professional for a professional, or maybe youa re a professional salesman.

as a scientist, I am continually astounded that some cant see the facts of the case?

Esp now some of the things predicted to happen 10 years ago are starting to happen?

There are none so blind who will not see.

Dird

atush wrote: »

Esp now some of the things predicted to happen 10 years ago are starting to happen?

America & China need to up their pollution, my heating bills are still high in winter.

You sound like a Remain scaremongerer :P hasn't happened yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku_IseK3xTc

BananaRepublic

bigadaj wrote: »

There's still much debate about climate change, it's not just a politically correct opinion to form.

Before I get too much abuse I'm a professional in the environmental field, I'm ambivalent about it, the main positive being it earns me fees!

You can't be a scientist. There is no serious debate about the fact of climate change, and the fact that it is man made due to increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere creating a warming blanket. The uncertainty is the future changes due to the increased CO2, since there are feedback mechanisms, such as increased release of methane due to melting perma frost, or possible increased cloud cover.

masonic

BananaRepublic wrote: »

The uncertainty is the future changes due to the increased CO2, since there are feedback mechanisms, such as increased release of methane due to melting perma frost, or possible increased cloud cover.

There are also discrepancies between previously made projections and observations that bring into question whether there has been an overestimation of the climate's sensitivity to the man made drivers of climate change. This is still being hotly debated (if you pardon the pun).

There is no dispute among scientists that CO2 levels are rising (and that this is in proportion to man made emissions), nor that CO2 is a greenhouse gas (and we have direct evidence from satellites trained on the Earth measuring changes to our IR emission spectrum that show heat is being trapped), nor even that global temperatures have been rising sharply over the last few decades. But that seems to be where the consensus ends. There are things that will ordinarily cause global temperatures to change. Decoupling those from the gross change is problematic.

This article highlights a lot of the conjecture and itself concludes that much of it is unfounded. However, this is still a matter of debate.

bigadaj

This is the problem, people love to be ignorant when they don't understand things, or like the idea of being popular, rather than use a critical analysis of data.

The quantity of useable data exists for at most a few decades, and we have a planet that is over 4 billion years old.

My problem isn't with amending behaviours, just that it's so generic and money would be far better spent in areas such as avoiding habitat destruction rather than a woolly idea of amending a few internal combustion engines to save the planet.

One of my former bosses, as a chief exec of a major environmental consultancy, attended a big conference in New York around a decade ago. Discussing this afterwards he expressed surprise at so many 'climate change deniers', as heads of similar businesses; not because of any facts or philosophical problem, just that these guys were arguing against a business that would be generating billions of dollars for them in the future.

bigadaj

atush wrote: »

You are not very professional for a professional, or maybe youa re a professional salesman.

as a scientist, I am continually astounded that some cant see the facts of the case?

Esp now some of the things predicted to happen 10 years ago are starting to happen?

There are none so blind who will not see.

Right you are confused as a former scientist who has done no research or critical analysis.

If you are such an advocate of climate change impacts then maybe you would modify your behaviours, maintaining multiple homes with continual jet travel doesn't sit very well with your apparent beliefs.

So you believe in climate change but are doing your best to promote it?

atush

Dird wrote: »

America & China need to up their pollution, my heating bills are still high in winter.

You sound like a Remain scaremongerer :P hasn't happened yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku_IseK3xTc

Predicted things that HAVE happened are desalination of the arctic seas due to melt of the ice cap, which disrupts currents and the jet stream, which has caused our increasingly wet and windy weather. And droughts in other areas such as california.

Also predicted was the submerge of low lying islands in t he pacific, which has now happened. Think the Solomon Islands are down 3 islands to date.

But you go on and keep sticking your head in the sand, like brexiteers who think immigrants are going to be shipped out who are already here, and that we'll get any free access to the free market w/o allowing new immigration.

Sure i was a remainer, but I am not asking for a new vote- I am asking to get on with it. And Get Dr Fox on the next flight out to Canada, China and Australia and India

And hope to see article 50 delayed until some other EU countries can have a vote and see some others on our side. Like to see Merkle get Juncker sacked too (who caused this mess by playing hard ball).

JohnRo

It's just the binary mindset.

The trait I find most irritating is that those waving their patriotic flag of St. George most enthusiastically and harking back to some, mostly imagined, glorious Great Britain, where in reality poverty, disease and death were rife for the vast majority, are also often those most oblivious to the centuries of nefarious, Great British plotting, practice and war.

The vast wealth that funded the empire and industrial revolution was built for the most part on piracy, the slave trade, colonial invasion and wholesale appropriation of others land and resources.

This whole brexit thing, and environmental issues for that matter, reminds me of the phrase, you don't know what you've got till it's gone.

aspiration_2

atush wrote: »

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like brexiteers who think immigrants are going to be shipped out who are already here, and that we'll get any free access to the free market w/o allowing new immigration.

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I beg to differ. Maybe a few brexiters wanted all out. But most knew it will be unfair to ask them to leave. Most know we need immigrants - qualified ones with a good knowledge of the English language. Even Nigel Farage talked about quality tier one immigrants. We do not need whole town loads of ordinary people landing here and asking for benefits and English language coaching. Quite a lot of older people as well - having not paid taxes and NI. Not many Brits go and live and work in Eastern Europe.

Rollinghome

atush wrote: »

Like to see Merkle get Juncker sacked too (who caused this mess by playing hard ball).

Ah, so it was another one of those dratted foreigners that caused it all. Nothing to do with Cameron's wizard wheeze to help win an election then? That's a relief.