BREXIT - Why?

ColdIron

veryintrigued wrote: »

I give up on this thread.
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Am hopeful Mr Paxman on Thursday is able to give us all a more independent and accurate (and less polarised) analysis than this thread.

I wouldn't bank on it and if you think this thread is bad you should try Twitter

talexuser

Perhaps more relevant to this board I seem to remember that our savings protection was £2000 with only 90% of the next £1000, and our government wanted a limit of £30000 after Northern Rock failed. The EU was responsible for our £85000 - that sort of Brexit de-regulation I can do without.

veryintrigued

talexuser wrote: »

Perhaps more relevant to this board I seem to remember that our savings protection was £2000 with only 90% of the next £1000, and our government wanted a limit of £30000 after Northern Rock failed. The EU was responsible for our £85000 - that sort of Brexit de-regulation I can do without.

You'll get nowhere here with facts ;-)

Planet_Switzerland

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

No disrespect but some of us (how many with soon become clear) are more concerned with control over our immigration policy, the supremacy of our courts and the reinforcement of our democracy than a few extra quid in our pockets assuming brexit will have a negative effect of our economy.

Cameron has gave us a referendum, he once said that Britain could thrive outside the EU, he was also prepared to "walk away" if he did not secure the renegotiation he wanted, it's pure politics and noone knows either way, One thing is for sure when the living wage hits £9p/h there will be a flood of migrants eclipsing anything seen so far. Not xenophobic just very, very concerned.

I am one of those who shares your concern over immigration.


I don't have a problem as such with somebody coming here from another country and making a positive contribution to society, but only so many people can fit in this country and the country is full.


This is evident by the fact that when I first moved away to university it was before any eastern European countries joined the EU, and one piece of advice we were given by the university when looking for accommodation was not to rush into anything as plenty of properties are available. They were right, I did see several properties to let but unoccupied at the time.


The place I currently live in I phoned about as soon as the agents posted in on their website, viewed it 2 hours later and said I'd take it at the viewing, that's how quick you need to be now.


Now I'm looking to buy, their is very few affordable properties available where I live, I've only viewed two and both viewings had loads of people viewing at the same time.


Me and my wife both earn above average wages and are looking to buy a 1 bed flat in an area that isn't exactly popular and have a bigger deposit than the price my parents paid for their property 20 years ago.


Ok, you have other factors that make the housing situation ridiculous like Help to Buy driving up the prices, but immigration is a big part of the problem.


That's not to mention schools being full, hospitals being full, roads being full, trains being full etc.

PeacefulWaters

veryintrigued wrote: »

You'll get nowhere here with facts ;-)

Well there was a £35k limit at the time Northern Rock failed and the British government chose to turn that into a 100% protection for affected depositors at the time of the collapse.

So the "facts" contained inaccuracies.

talexuser

Nevertheless after Bradford & Bingley and the Icelandic banks failed our internal protection was raised to 50k and it was the EU that brought in 85K here.

justme111

I obviously do not have the numbers so my choice is a stab in the dark a bit and is made as resistance to pressure and lies statement. Governing party wants us to stay so they apply pressure , bullying and lies. They say it will take 5 years of uncertainty to sort trading agreements - as someone rightly pointed out second world war taken 5 years , the original statement is absurd.
When someone says it is a leap into unknown - well , staying in is a leap into unknown as well. To people who say what if other parties will not want to trade with us - surely trade should be based on mutual agreement and benefit, not because European union makes them to trade with us.
To those who argue that NHS will collapse without influx of workers - first of all one can have migration without being in a Union, second most healthcare workers are not from EU anyway and third - is not something wrong with probably the biggest state organisation if it would collapse without foreign labour ?
Basically all arguments of in campaign are scaremongering, I have not seen any coherent ones. Which is not to say there are not any of course but all this bullying by establishment where every tom !!!! harry and their dogs call for Britain to stay makes me want to do the opposite as I see 0 integrity in "inners" campaign

justme111

atush wrote: »

I have no vote, as I am a lowly immigrant.

But if i did, i would vote with my pocketbook.

All people involved in money, from the BOE to economists, banks etc all say the pound will plummit, and the market will crash if we brexit.

And I'd just as soon keep things as they are. It is bad enough when market volatility happens, but to actually MAKE volatility is madness.

People who are involved with money say what what they let on tv and what they tell them to say , do you actually believe what is said on tv? Do you know about budget of stay campaign and budget of leave campaign ? I do not , would be interesting to know. My bet one is probably 50 times bigger than other. So guess what people related to money are going to be saying..
Re pound -short term volatility probably, how do they know long term pound rates? How exactly being in EU contributes to higher £ rates ?
I understand why people would vote in - fear of difficulties with European holidays is probably one of the main factors as they vote with their pocket as you said you will be.. different sectors of society likely to benefit from one or another option in different proportions.
Some sectors of healthcare workers may vote out for example as department of health of health makes life harder and harder for them as there is endless supply of cheap workforce from EU. Some retired people will probably vote in as they don't want any threat of disruption in collecting their UK pensions in costa brava..

savings_my_hobby

Planet_Switzerland wrote: »

I am one of those who shares your concern over immigration.


I don't have a problem as such with somebody coming here from another country and making a positive contribution to society, but only so many people can fit in this country and the country is full.


This is evident by the fact that when I first moved away to university it was before any eastern European countries joined the EU, and one piece of advice we were given by the university when looking for accommodation was not to rush into anything as plenty of properties are available. They were right, I did see several properties to let but unoccupied at the time.


The place I currently live in I phoned about as soon as the agents posted in on their website, viewed it 2 hours later and said I'd take it at the viewing, that's how quick you need to be now.


Now I'm looking to buy, their is very few affordable properties available where I live, I've only viewed two and both viewings had loads of people viewing at the same time.


Me and my wife both earn above average wages and are looking to buy a 1 bed flat in an area that isn't exactly popular and have a bigger deposit than the price my parents paid for their property 20 years ago.


Ok, you have other factors that make the housing situation ridiculous like Help to Buy driving up the prices, but immigration is a big part of the problem.


That's not to mention schools being full, hospitals being full, roads being full, trains being full etc.

Supply and demand my friend, obviously there is alot more demand than supply.

Some people think that the answer is to build more, according to Duncan Carswell on the Sunday politics east show today "we would need to build 19 cities the size of Cambridge to house the amount of migrants arrived since 2011" That is a ridiculous amount of immigration and a huge task ahead if we are to cope.

In the Conservative manifesto of 2010 they promised to get migration down the the 10,000's instead of the 100,000's - they failed yet repeated their promise in 2015, with Cameron knowing he was not even going to ask for a limit - very dishonest.

Who in 1975 voted for this? when there were only 9 countries in the EEC.

We have the same trouble around my area, I have more for a deposit than my parents paid for their house too, and cant get nowhere near the quality for the money.Shocking.

jimjames

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

Who said negative? you. read it again please

So if it's not negative then where's the issue complying? I'm assuming the lack of any example means it's another myth that EU are applying regulations affecting business but no-one seems able to provide any details.