BREXIT - Why?

savings_my_hobby

lisyloo wrote: »

With regards to safer. Are you saying you know more than the guys who used to run MI5 & MI6?

Common sense would tell you that potential terrorists could come here at any time all they need is a EU passport.

Are you seriously saying that Europe wont cooperate with us on these matters if we left? if so why would we want to be in political union with these people.

Also how many attacks has France had in the last two years? and the EU response?

I can't see how we would be any worse.

savings_my_hobby

atush wrote: »

I have no vote, as I am a lowly immigrant.

But if i did, i would vote with my pocketbook.

All people involved in money, from the BOE to economists, banks etc all say the pound will plummit, and the market will crash if we brexit.

And I'd just as soon keep things as they are. It is bad enough when market volatility happens, but to actually MAKE volatility is madness.

No disrespect but some of us (how many with soon become clear) are more concerned with control over our immigration policy, the supremacy of our courts and the reinforcement of our democracy than a few extra quid in our pockets assuming brexit will have a negative effect of our economy.

Cameron has gave us a referendum, he once said that Britain could thrive outside the EU, he was also prepared to "walk away" if he did not secure the renegotiation he wanted, it's pure politics and noone knows either way, One thing is for sure when the living wage hits £9p/h there will be a flood of migrants eclipsing anything seen so far. Not xenophobic just very, very concerned.

atush

taylornj wrote: »

All people involved in money, from the BOE to economists, banks etc all say the pounds going in their pockets will plummit, and the market for their services will crash if we brexit.

So easy to see what they meant.

Like to see (unless you want an economy based on barter or firepower) how you think we'd get on w/o a central bank, or a banking system.

Economists are quite often in academia- so you dont pay them.

atush

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

No disrespect but some of us (how many with soon become clear) are more concerned with control over our immigration policy, the supremacy of our courts and the reinforcement of our democracy than a few extra quid in our pockets assuming brexit will have a negative effect of our economy.

Cameron has gave us a referendum, he once said that Britain could thrive outside the EU, he was also prepared to "walk away" if he did not secure the renegotiation he wanted, it's pure politics and noone knows either way, One thing is for sure when the living wage hits £9p/h there will be a flood of migrants eclipsing anything seen so far. Not xenophobic just very, very concerned.

We do, in effect have some control over our immigration, esp non Eu immigration. Which seems to be not being controlled (by any govt past or present).

As to supremacy of courts and democracy, the time to complain and do something about it was when it happened. You let them creap up on you and are now upset about it once you noticed. If you didnt want it, you should have left when it was no longer a trade organisation.

veryintrigued

colsten wrote: »

Although £250m sounds a lot, the cost of the EU is actually chickenfeed on the grand scale of the country's budget.

That's a little inconsistent from someone who has (rightly) posted previously that they claimed (to the very last penny) overpaid tax back. Hopefully I'm remembering correctly as I admired that in your previous posts Colsten.


Its a huge amount of amount of money - I guess most of us want to be as confident as we can that its worth it.

Superscrooge

Only one world leader wants Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/those-who-call-for-brexit-are-handing-european-power-to-the-kremlin-a6921386.html

leveller2911

Superscrooge wrote: »

Only one world leader wants Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/those-who-call-for-brexit-are-handing-european-power-to-the-kremlin-a6921386.html

Ah yes world leaders. Obama the hypocrite who expects us to remain in the EU and allow unfettered immigration from 500 million people and rising by a further 100 million + when Turkey and Ukraine eventually joins .

Why won't he allow mass immigration from his neighbour's like Mexico and Canada..........

Obama is a joke...............

If the political elite in the EU had reformed the EU we probably wouldn't be having a referendum so blame them........

savings_my_hobby

atush wrote: »

We do, in effect have some control over our immigration, esp non Eu immigration. Which seems to be not being controlled (by any govt past or present).

As to supremacy of courts and democracy, the time to complain and do something about it was when it happened. You let them creap up on you and are now upset about it once you noticed. If you didnt want it, you should have left when it was no longer a trade organisation.

The reason we need non EU migration is because they actually bring skills that we desire (rash generalisation I know) such as doctors, I have never seen a EU doctor in my surgery, just a waiting room full of EU migrants. The EU migrants in my area (95%+) work in low paid unskilled jobs for peanuts and claim working tax/child tax credits so how they are even contributing tax is beyond me.

When It happened I was not old enough to do anything about it nor was there a chance to - this is my chance now. I shall take it, I beg you all to do the same. Those eligible of course.

Every Prime Minister since Ted Heath has come back from Brussels without their trousers and without their wallet and then claimed to have gotten a good deal.

colsten

veryintrigued wrote: »

That's a little inconsistent from someone who has (rightly) posted previously that they claimed (to the very last penny) overpaid tax back. Hopefully I'm remembering correctly as I admired that in your previous posts Colsten.


Its a huge amount of amount of money - I guess most of us want to be as confident as we can that its worth it.

It's not inconsistent. I don't consider our EU contribution as 'overpaid tax' and therefore I don't expect to claim it back.

It's not a huge amount of money at all. It is 0.37% of our GDP. On my Personal Tax Account, it shows that less than £50 a year of my personal tax goes towards the EU. I am very happy with this sort of membership fee as I enjoy the benefits of being part of the club.

But leaving that aside: anyone who thinks we could save all of the 0.37% is kidding themselves. As is anyone who thinks we'd still have unlimited access to the Single Market if we didn't agree to continued free movement of labour.

veryintrigued

colsten wrote: »

It's not inconsistent. I don't consider our EU contribution as 'overpaid tax' and therefore I don't expect to claim it back.

It's not a huge amount of money at all. It is 0.37% of our GDP. On my Personal Tax Account, it shows that less than £50 a year of my personal tax goes towards the EU. I am very happy with this sort of membership fee as I enjoy the benefits of being part of the club.

But leaving that aside: anyone who thinks we could save all of the 0.37% is kidding themselves. As is anyone who thinks we'd still have unlimited access to the Single Market if we didn't agree to continued free movement of labour.

I give up on this thread.

1p a year is important but £250 million a day is chickenfeed and shouldn't be challenged?

Am hopeful Mr Paxman on Thursday is able to give us all a more independent and accurate (and less polarised) analysis than this thread.