BREXIT - Why?

Zola.

Hope we leave. The government are shamefully trying to scare people into voting to stay so I wont hold my breath.....

uk1

jimjames wrote: »

Seriously? Have you actually looked or checked? Part of the problem is that so many things are taken for granted but were EU originated.

Paid annual leave
No roaming charges across EU
Equal pay
Time off work
Maternity pay up to 12 months
Parental leave
Healthcare across EU
Right to live (and work) across EU - taken up by many Brits in France and Spain
EU wide standards for products
2 year warranty on goods


You may not think they're important but things like workers rights are likely to be first in the firing line if we leave.

It really is you that needs to check things as you seem to have got so many of your facts completely and consistently wrong on this thread it is difficult to know where to start.

For example you seem to be unaware that the EU has adopted much of UK law in the examples you cite, not the other way around.

For example we had consumer protection laws long before the EU adopted ours. You are wrong .... with respect to "2 year guarantees". Consumer items are expected instead to have to have a "reasonable life".

I note you asked earlier for details of pointless EU interference. I posted many but you ignored them!

Anyway ......:)

mrginge

colsten wrote: »

This assertion by the Out campaign is grossly misleading, and it's a disgrace that the leading lights of the Out campaign keep telling people £350m a week could be saved, without putting this number into any context whatsoever. They are ruthlessly exploiting those who think "wow, threehundredandfifty million", and who have no idea how this number relates to anything else.

What is your opinion of the £4,300 annual cost per household number from the remain side?
I notice that despite being widely discredited about five minutes after it was released, the remain campaign still seems to be plastering it all over billboards.

colsten

littld wrote: »

What is the point making rules and tackling climate change in Europe but ignoring China and Africa? If anything, the EU is isolationist as it is only concerned with member countries.

Surely if the EU were only concerned with climate change in the EU, then the UK, after Brexit, would only be concerned with climate change in the UK?

Of course there is no point in tackling climate change just in the EU countries, and it is totally untrue that the EU is only concerned with climate change in the EU. Another un-truth peddled by a Brexiter.

The EU enables that 28 out of the 195 countries in the world have a consistent approach to climate matters. Note a consistent approach doesn't mean that everybody must do the same. But there are economies of scale when countries can freely share knowledge, research and resources.

Please tell us which part of the EU climate change program is bad for the UK and must be stopped. Please also tell us what climate change actions the UK would pursue after Brexit and what the costs and benefits of going it alone on climate change would be.

CLAPTON

colsten wrote: »

Surely if the EU were only concerned with climate change in the EU, then the UK, after Brexit, would only be concerned with climate change in the UK?

Of course there is no point in tackling climate change just in the EU countries, and it is totally untrue that the EU is only concerned with climate change in the EU. Another un-truth peddled by a Brexiter.

The EU enables that 28 out of the almost 300 countries in the world have a consistent approach to climate matters. Note a consistent approach doesn't mean that everybody must do the same. But there are economies of scale when countries can freely share knowledge, research and resources.

Please tell us which part of the EU climate change program is bad for the UK and must be stopped. Please also tell us what climate change actions the UK would pursue after Brexit and what the costs and benefits of going it alone on climate change would be.

perhaps you could explain why the EU forces the UK to charge 20% VAT on thermal insulation products, solar panels etc instead of 5%, is good for the UK people or assists with Co2 reduction?

The EUs single approach to encouraging the use of diesel has killed 10s of thousands of people.

The general accepted number of countries in 195 of which 193 have full membership of the UN

colsten

mrginge wrote: »

What is your opinion of the £4,300 annual cost per household number from the remain side?
I notice that despite being widely discredited about five minutes after it was released, the remain campaign still seems to be plastering it all over billboards.

I don't know how they have arrived at £4,300 or whether this is the right number.

I am, however, totally convinced that Brexit would cost us dearly, for many years if not decades to come.

Even the most ardent Out-campaigners admit there would be a negative financial impact. They can't even tell us what a post-Brexit UK would look like, and they have no reputable economist supporting their idea. I will not be voting for a gigantic leap into the unknown and for the tearing up of 40 years worth of organic improvement. All we know is that we would have to spend enormous amounts of money and time to re-negotiate perfectly good existing arrangements, with absolutely no guarantee that the outcome would be better than what we already have. Whilst all those expensive and time-consuming negotiations are underway, progress and investment would be stifled and delayed, perhaps forever.

colsten

CLAPTON wrote: »

perhaps you could explain why the EU forces the UK to charge 20% VAT on thermal insulation products, solar panels etc instead of 5%, is good for the UK people or assists with Co2 reduction?

Can you post the link to where the EU made the UK charge 20% on those products?

CLAPTON wrote: »

The EUs single approach to encouraging the use of diesel has killed 10s of thousands of people.

can provide any evidence that the EU forced the UK (or any other country) to drive diesel cars? Can you provide evidence that 10s of thousands were killed for the reasons you say? Can you provide the evidence of when the UK have tabled the issue to the EU, or even to the UN?

CLAPTON wrote: »

The general accepted number of countries in 195 of which 193 have full membership of the UN

I accept your correction and will edit my post accordingly

littld

Sorry but the EU started as a protectionist (read anti-free trade) bloc to protect a minority agricultural interest and keep food prices high. It has succeeded. Since I am not a farmer, I have other priorities. Some of these posts suggest staying out of the trading bloc will stop trade with them. It is ludicrous to suggest we would carry on buying from the EU if they ceased buying our goods. And even if they did, it would improve our trade deficit with them. That's right - if we stopped buying from EU and they stopped buying from us we'd be better off. In reality, people will be adult about it and make trade agreements like we did pre-EU.

CLAPTON

colsten wrote: »

I don't know how they have arrived at £4,300 or whether this is the right number.

I am, however, totally convinced that Brexit would cost us dearly, for many years if not decades to come.

Even the most ardent Out-campaigners admit there would be a negative financial impact. They can't even tell us what a post-Brexit UK would look like, and they have no reputable economist supporting their idea. I will not be voting for a gigantic leap into the unknown and for the tearing up of 40 years worth of organic improvement. All we know is that we would have to spend enormous amounts of money and time to re-negotiate perfectly good existing arrangements, with absolutely no guarantee that the outcome would be better than what we already have. Whilst all those expensive and time-consuming negotiations are underway, progress and investment would be stifled and delayed, perhaps forever.

indeed that is so
we could be as badly off as Aus, Canada, N Zealand, USA and the many other countries outside the EU

the are no guarntees about the future that is true: but we have no guarantees out how the continuing crisis in the EU will be resolved with massive youth employment, Greece, barbed wire borders, right wing parties glowing and continued expansion of the EU membership

uk1

What is certain is that our cntributions will increase almost at the same rate as immigration and interference.