BREXIT - Why?

fun4everyone

The BBC has changed its tack and wants out


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36305838

justme111

jimjames wrote: »

Some things are just better done at a level above a certain country. I have an old car (well 1980s anyway) , looking through the manuals the fuel consumption is measured to the UK Passenger Fuel order 1977. Now that is done at an EU level. We forget how daft it would be for every country to specify their own regulations for measurement for example and the manufacturers have to follow each country they sell in. Now they do one test for all 28.

So it's fine so have simplicity but everyone doing their own thing will add to the costs overall.

sure. Why can not countries agree on it if they want to a d disagree if they do not ? Why does it have to be obligatory ?

uk1

justme111 wrote: »

sure. Why can not countries agree on it if they want to a d disagree if they do not ? Why does it have to be obligatory ?

Indeed.

It isn't obligatory for us all to drive on the same side of the road is it. That might cut down on some of the accidents foreign lorry drivers have within a few miles of Dover.

veryintrigued

jimjames wrote: »

So it's fine so have simplicity but everyone doing their own thing will add to the costs overall.

Some things come down to being more than about money.

National identity and differences haven't a price.

Every time we travel things are becoming increasingly the same and I hate it.

colsten

veryintrigued wrote: »

Every time we travel things are becoming increasingly the same and I hate it.

Assuming you mean lots of things are the same throughout the EU: how will the UK leaving the EU make a difference to that?

Out of interest, what are the things that are becoming increasingly the same?

uk1

colsten wrote: »

Assuming you mean lots of things are the same throughout the EU: how will the UK leaving the EU make a difference to that?

Out of interest, what are the things that are becoming increasingly the same?

This may be a generational thing, but whether it is or not, I understand the point.

For example when I was younger London was full mostly of Londoners and Paris was mostly full of Parisians. When I went to Vienna it was full of Viennese. When I went to Paris, I paid in Francs. In Austria it was Austrian schillings. I felt that I was going "abroad", and somewhere worth going to BECAUSE it was different. I felt that going abroad would improve my maths and expose me to a different culture. Now it is all the same. Even the food. Now when I go to any of these places the people there all like like the same as in every other capital. In fact I needn't bother.

Patriotism is a close relative of nationalism and when you take away their belief that they have a say over their own governance and they are being dragged along a path intended to remove both their individual identity and pride in it, I think it a little sad.

Jeff

OldBeanz

colsten wrote: »

Assuming you mean lots of things are the same throughout the EU: how will the UK leaving the EU make a difference to that?

Out of interest, what are the things that are becoming increasingly the same?

In the 1970's you could guarantee a good meal in any French town or even supermarket. Drink enough wine and you were quids in. France is now the biggest overseas franchise for McDonald's and there are far better eating establishments in the UK.

As for sovereignty. I do not know who my MEP is or any previous MEP's. I know both my local councillor and MP. If I voted them out then that is democracy. It is this master plan which I object to because it cannot be changed and the do nothing option will leave us left further behind and isolated within Europe and paying for the privilege. Getting out before the Euro crashes and/or there is civil disturbance and regaining democracy is what I want. No one believes Greece can repay its debts.

littld

If people want to buy our goods and services, they will. If they want to sell to us, they'll find a way to make agreements. Given we buy more from the EU than we sell to the EU, we should be in a strong position here. Does anyone really think Spanish farmers are going to stop selling food to the UK just to spite us? Trade with other countries existed for centuries before the EU and will exist long after it is abandoned. In terms of security, clubbing together is a false sense of security - look to history for the proof. If the chips were down, we don't have a single reliable European ally despite our decades in the EU. It is an expensive way to get a false sense of security, nothing more.

lisyloo

It is an expensive way to get a false sense of security, nothing more.

Another person that knows more than the ex-head of MI6.
Do tell us how you know or is it classified :-)

littld

lisyloo wrote: »

Another person that knows more than the ex-head of MI6.
Do tell us how you know or is it classified :-)

I don't know of a single incident where UK was threatened and an EU country stepped up as an ally. I don't need to be an ex-head of MI6 to know that we don't have any friends in Europe. History is enough.