Shouldnt the "Remain" vote be winning by a landslide??

BobQ

Horseygirl123 wrote: »

A Polish colleague brought his mother over for her second knee replacement on the NHS. Now she's had all her physio she's gone back home. He thinks the NHS is wonderful, we were gobsmacked.

Some people in the UK go to France for treatment.

Some UK medical students are studying in Poland.

mayonnaise

Horseygirl123 wrote: »

A Polish colleague brought his mother over for her second knee replacement on the NHS. Now she's had all her physio she's gone back home. He thinks the NHS is wonderful, we were gobsmacked.

We are facing an obesity crisis, stuffing our faces with fatty, salty and sugary crap, 25% of the population is considered obese with all the health implications and the pressure on the NHS that comes with it.

Diabetes, due to this lifestyle is costing the NHS 10 billion per year, forecast is it will balloon exponentially in the next 25 years.

We have tens of thousands under 10's with severe tooth decay, who need either full extraction or root canal treatment on the NHS because we just can't be bothered to feed our kids decent food and learn them about oral hygiene.

Each and every weekend, our emergency wards are filled with young natives drinking themselves silly, for patching up the physical damage they've done to themselves and other.

We have an aging population. 1 in 6 is over 65 today. That will be one in four by 2050. Most of them will need expensive NHS treatment.

PFI is costing the NHS billions per year.

Today our junior doctors are on strike, creating immense backlogs in treatment and surgery.

But look here! A Polish woman got treatment for her knee!! OH MY GOD!

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

That'll do for now.
Bob you have a mind filter on so you keep dismissing remain arguments.

I love your 168 month modelling, I mean what could go wrong, lol, utterly infantile logic.
The IMF makes one bad prediction after another and yet people like you just keep on bending over for more of the same. THIS ISN'T EVIENCE, IT'S BLIND FAITH

Personal insults........

lazer

Concerned75 wrote: »

Depends where you are in life also. If you have a home, no dependants and no big money worries, you're likely to vote remain. Struggling for permanent work, getting your foot on the property ladder or have health issues and trying to get your children into a school, you might be voting leave.
I think the majority of the British voting population has at least one issue of the latter points to leave.
Big business not being able to take advantage of tax breaks and other financial "perks" are probably at the bottom of their list of priorities.
Most people care about what is effecting their immediate day to day lives around them.
I fear as June draws closer, the leave campaign may just widen that gap of 50/50.

I fit your criteria too, and I am voting leave.


To me the EU doesn't work, I support free movement of labour and free trade, but not at any cost.


I don't support a federal Europe, it won't work - the EU countries are too different, different cultures different values etc and trying to impose one set of ideals on such a diverse range of countries is a disaster.


I don't support TTIP.


I don't support EU Tenders for public sector contracts - we should be allowed to put our own country first and give tenders to UK companies.


Our Human Rights aren't going to disappear just because we leave the EU which some would have you believe,

Johnsmith2016

Yes Eurosceptism is certainly on the rise - see my post refering to the problem if we remain, but others leave and have a domino effect. Plus greece needs another bail out.

Its said brexit dont know what the fuure holds and cant tell us what will happen - but for me that is very exciting and liberating, who knows who or what deals we will strike, but lets just be certain we are soon to be the 4th biggest economy in the world, we wont just die overnight like the remain brigade would have us beleive . We will be a proud, democratic, pro England, self governing nation, free to do whats in OUR best interest, free from the lunucy of the EU rules, human rights, silly laws, and paying for the failing countries and the weekly fee. We can do the RIGHT thing morally for our people and strike deals globally , that is the world we live in now, not just the EU - 60% of which are failing. We are the EUs biggest consumer with 60 billion that creates massive leverage, money talks very loudly.
My chief reason is not financial, its about national pride and being democratic, its almost a sin to be a proud brit now, unless your liberal gender fluid trans binary your a racist or similar. Sad state of affiars what we have allowed to happen to us the left libtard PC brigade have had a field day in this country for too long. We cant even
Deport terrorist in case we hurt their feelings give me a break. No one is allowed to be offended anymore, guess what you dont die if you offended - now if 1 person is offended the other 5 billion people have to change to fit in, very sad. People can be offended, our answer should be so what. Its not a crime. when our forefathers fought for the very freedoms they enjoy but want to give away in a heart beat.

Johnsmith2016

There is always an exception that breaks the rule - but generally how many brits are taking their gran for knee surgery in poland.
Lets not lose sight of the real issue, just because a few people may go to france.

angrypirate

jimibaboza wrote: »

[*]We want to build tailor made trade deals with the world, something for which one needs a little courage and vision, however the evidence is all around us too, for example little Iceland, NZ and Switzerland have trade deals with China, something the EU made of 28 nations with disparate needs has failed on

The EU is China's largest trading partner, A separate Britain would be out of the top 10. How would becoming a more junior partner help it? China certainly are not going to risk annoying it's top buyers by giving better terms to the UK.

[*]Risks of staying in - great Banking and economic risk from Greece, Italy, Portugal and others - could drag us down and cost us dear

In what way? Most of the risk is borne by the banks, and this risk will not go away should Britain leave.

[*]No chance of reducing immigration, every chance it will go up and up if we remain

How does anyone propose immigration be stopped after leaving? The massive camp in Calais should be an indication that people won't stop coming here just because because it isn't allowed (it already isn't). In fact Britain leaving will just mean that the French will have no incentive to keep them in France and just send them on their way to the UK. And all it would take is a child getting hurt trying to get here for the media to scream at the government to let them all in.

If China get a good deal in return, they aren't going to give to hoots to what the EU think. Besides which, negotiating trade deal terms which suit 30 odd countries with the country you want to deal with is always going to take a lot longer and have a lot more comprimisies than 1 country directly with 1 country

Conrad

jimibaboza wrote: »

The EU is China's largest trading partner, A separate Britain would be out of the top 10. How would becoming a more junior partner help it? China certainly are not going to risk annoying it's top buyers by giving better terms to the UK


If the EU is so important why has China done deals not with the EU but with Iceland, Switzerland, NZ and other independent nations?


Same goes for the US doing deals with independent nations.



No chance of reducing immigration, every chance it will go up and up if we remain

How does anyone propose immigration be stopped after leaving?


Really, no nation can operate a border control then? So you can just up sticks and emigrate to Canada or Australia can you?


All we want is a points based system WE control. Not possible with complacency Cameron and Brussels in charge. We want to decide who comes and how many.


Calais represents less than 1% of our immigration, small beer. In any event why do you lack courage in our ability to deal with our own affairs as other independent nations do? Why? Are we idiots?

I've answered in red

Conrad

lazer wrote: »

Our Human Rights aren't going to disappear just because we leave the EU which some would have you believe,

Remain people have been so easily drip fed a load of myth.


The UK invented Human Rights, we pioneered employment rights, the EU caught up with us.


I'm exasperated that people are so easily lead so lacking in confidence in Britain.

Johnsmith2016

Tersea May admitted as much yesterday that we cannot control immigration .
She is a disgrace, anti EU like corbyn but putting their career before the country