Shouldnt the "Remain" vote be winning by a landslide??

Concerned75

Surely leaving the EU can't be as bad as the recession. There were winners and losers of that, but as humans we adapt to our situations and learn to cope.

BobQ

DomRavioli wrote: »

I will be voting leave. I want to have some security, and if we remain in, I will be emigrating outside of the EU. It is preposterous to have such open borders, I agree with the principle of free movement, but not the right to reside without a visa.

The NHS I worked in for over a decade has been decimated by the massive influx of migrants. Not to say they don't pay in, but services and funding have suffered massively.

Does that include migration between England and Scotland? Those borders are open and we never bother that so many people cross them.

Why do you think that the NHS has been decimated? How do immigrants who pay in cause the problem?

antrobus

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

There are a number of polls out there, but on average the leave/remain is about 50/50 at the moment, depending on the week and sentiment one group may pull ahead of the other for a spell but overall we can agree its neck and neck....

No.

The useful Wikipedia page on the topic shows 5 polls so far in April. 4 show a Remain lead of between 7% and 12%. 1 shows a Leave lead of 1% but that's an online poll, and we know where that kind of thing leads you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#2016

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

...This surprises me...

Oddly enough, it doesn't surprise me that you're too foxin lazy to fact check.:)

antrobus

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

Just for the record - I am not anti immigration, i am not anti anything, I am for common sense ( which isnt too common)....

Ah, the common sense fallacy. The old ones are the best.

Thrugelmir

People will vote depending on the impact on their lives. Housing, schools, jobs etc. Open borders has been shown not to work with the migrant crisis. If we weren't an island then by now we'd be overrun.

Johnsmith2016

Quizzical_Squirrel wrote: »

I feel those who are heavily dependent on benefits and social housing are likely to vote remain. They think EU human rights legislation will continue to guarantee and protect their lifestyle and meal ticket.

If the remain compaign could find a way of saying this without inevitably implying the UK government is just a puppet, they would get their landslide victory.

Assuming your correct another group we can add to the remain, which really should be giving them a massive lead.
Add in yes migrants already here who want their familes to join them will most probably vote yes, along with most on benefits who dont want to rock the boat

Johnsmith2016

antrobus wrote: »

Ah, the common sense fallacy. The old ones are the best.

Is the australian style system I posted not just common sense ? Regardless of party, left , right , pink or whatever. Find it hard anyone can disagree with that system even if you want to remain. Even if we remain i still think something needs be done about the volume and quality of unchecked migration especially with the free movement of IsIs in europe, hence common sense.

antrobus

Quizzical_Squirrel wrote: »

I feel those who are heavily dependent on benefits and social housing are likely to vote remain. They think EU human rights legislation will continue to guarantee and protect their lifestyle and meal ticket....

How does that work?

Greece is a member of the EU. 85% of the unemployed in Greece don't get any benefit. Perhaps you should advise the Greeks on how they can use this 'EU human rights legislation' to get some money.

Quizzical_Squirrel wrote: »

...If the remain compaign could find a way of saying this without inevitably implying the UK government is just a puppet, they would get their landslide victory.

So that the Leave campaign can expose it as a blatant lie you mean?

BobQ

Rich2808 wrote: »

Perhaps there is more to life than money. Quality of life matters too,

Living in an ever more over crowded island with no real ability to control your borders resulting in zero ability to plan for housing, the NHS, school places and more.

Being told GDP is going up - so it's all great - ignoring the fact that GDP per person really isn't.

Seeing your kids and grandkids having to compete for zero hours contract jobs and being unable to afford a home.

Frankly I am amazed why anyone is voting remain - unless they are on the board of a major bank or multi national.

Just my opinion - but I am not alone. I just hope these young people voting remain aren't also complaining about low wages and the lack of affordable housing!

As you say all of the above is just your opinion. Since we joined the Common Market GDP per capita has consistently risen apart from recently due to the global crisis. It dropped in 2008 and has consistently risen ever since. - Nothing to do with the EU - fact

The GDP per capita of the UK is lower than many nations (we are 25th) but how come 8 of the other EU nations are higher than us. It has nothing to do with the EU, it is how our economy grows compared with others.- Nothing to do with the EU - fact

Do you really think house prices will fall outside of the EU?
We can plan but have had Governments that have not planned.

antrobus

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

Is the australian style system I posted not just common sense ? Regardless of party, left , right , pink or whatever. Find it hard anyone can disagree with that system even if you want to remain. Even if we remain i still think something needs be done about the volume and quality of unchecked migration especially with the free movement of IsIs in europe, hence common sense.

The appeal to common sense – garbage in the guise of gumption
https://scienceornot.net/2014/02/06/the-appeal-to-common-sense-garbage-in-the-guise-of-gumption/