Shouldnt the "Remain" vote be winning by a landslide??

Johnsmith2016

There are a number of polls out there, but on average the leave/remain is about 50/50 at the moment, depending on the week and sentiment one group may pull ahead of the other for a spell but overall we can agree its neck and neck.

This surprises me, surely if being part of the EU is fundamentally the genuine best thing for this country, and in our interests then they should be winning this vote by a landslide, it shouldnt even be close if its crystal clear that the EU is by far and away the best option for us.
Add into this mix, remain have the governement on their side, the big businesses, other EU countries and presidents, the banks, economists etc - then universities as they get funded from EU so they will be drilling it into the young voters than remain is the best for us, add in the 9m leaflet from dave, and its clear the remain have so many advantages not just financial that it beggers belief that this referendum is so close. I mean if the leave side had all this sway at their disposal im sure they would be heading for a clear victory.
In almost every area remain have an advantage, that it should be so clear that the EU is better for us and they should be winning like 85/15% but its not.
Its interesting to note the older the age group demographic the more eurosceptic they are, our senior citizens are probably best to judge as they remember a time before and during the EU - many under 40 dont know anything else like being in the matrix. This perhaps explains the young vote being key to the remain , the younger generation are the most pro eu, but also the ones who dont know anything else or a time before it.
Them add the non voters, so only a certain percentage of the population will vote, most who are in tune will politics will surely follow the governements line of remain. Then add the ones who will vote but dont care to even look into it, i would guess most of these would just tick the box for the status quo as they are indifferent and dont really care.

I will be voting leave, but do think remain will win, it was a stitch up last time and i can see already shady tatics being used to ensure they get the vote they want.

So my question is with all the clear advantages why is the referendum so close? Who is it making the difference and making it a close call?

BobQ

If the case for leaving is so compelling, why is it that the Leave campaign is not winning the argument.

We are a divided nation. The leave side are largely voting against the evidence. They do not care about the short term damage to the economy or whether in the long term we will be poorer to a small degree. They want out whatever the cost. The remain side are driven by the economic case for remaining, they do not want the uncertainty of leaving, they recognise that a larger market has more clout. Issues of sovereignty and out world leadership role are seen as unimportant. I cannot see this changing much.

It is impossible to look back on what life was like pre-EU without looking at what has changed in the world since. I can look back to those days. But I see the modern world as more inter dependent. The US could be isolationist but chooses to build trading alliances in North America, Trans Pacific and with the EU. I think young people generally get this. The older generation hanker after a past to which we will never return.

I recall the pre-EU days, when we were proud that we could not speak another language, when we had to get visas to go to many countries on holiday, when a significant proportion of Britain had racist tendencies or were openly racist, when before EU competition rules a weekend in Lisbon was an expensive undertaking, passport control in France was about the same as visiting Turkey or Israel, strict customs lists (1lt spirts etc), sending a letter to Germany required a customs declaration and extra postage, etc.

When I go to most EU nations now I think of it as much like home.

Rich2808

Perhaps there is more to life than money. Quality of life matters too,

Living in an ever more over crowded island with no real ability to control your borders resulting in zero ability to plan for housing, the NHS, school places and more.

Being told GDP is going up - so it's all great - ignoring the fact that GDP per person really isn't.

Seeing your kids and grandkids having to compete for zero hours contract jobs and being unable to afford a home.

Frankly I am amazed why anyone is voting remain - unless they are on the board of a major bank or multi national.

Just my opinion - but I am not alone. I just hope these young people voting remain aren't also complaining about low wages and the lack of affordable housing!

DomRavioli

I will be voting leave. I want to have some security, and if we remain in, I will be emigrating outside of the EU. It is preposterous to have such open borders, I agree with the principle of free movement, but not the right to reside without a visa.

The NHS I worked in for over a decade has been decimated by the massive influx of migrants. Not to say they don't pay in, but services and funding have suffered massively.

wymondham

Rich2808 wrote: »

Perhaps there is more to life than money. Quality of life matters too,

The stay in campaign talk about finances and the leave campaign talk about life. It depends which you value most as to which way you sway!

Concerned75

Depends where you are in life also. If you have a home, no dependants and no big money worries, you're likely to vote remain. Struggling for permanent work, getting your foot on the property ladder or have health issues and trying to get your children into a school, you might be voting leave.
I think the majority of the British voting population has at least one issue of the latter points to leave.
Big business not being able to take advantage of tax breaks and other financial "perks" are probably at the bottom of their list of priorities.
Most people care about what is effecting their immediate day to day lives around them.
I fear as June draws closer, the leave campaign may just widen that gap of 50/50.

mwpt

wymondham wrote: »

The stay in campaign talk about finances and the leave campaign talk about life. It depends which you value most as to which way you sway!

Well no. The leave campaign talk about way of life and it being better outside the EU but that doesn't mean they are correct.

Sounds like most of you have already decided this is a fact though, regardless of any data or stats or arguments that might show it to be false.

This was never ever going to be about facts, it was always going to be about the emotive issue of national pride, making our own laws, immigrants stealing our identity, our taxes, our services, crowding us out of our own land, etc.

There is literally no factual argument that will sway someone who thinks any of the above, and that is why the leave vote is even close.

Concerned75

The stay in campaign talk about finances and the leave campaign talk about life. It depends which you value most as to which way you sway!

This is never a true statement. For me, I've never been greedy for money, but crave a better fulfilling life overall.

MPD

The job security issues will remain no matter what, the effects of globalisation won't care if we are in the EU or not. If anything job security will reduce if we leave as the economy suffers.

The NHS will continue to suffer the effects of an aging population but with no influx of skilled workers will have no chance of improvement.

Social care will be shot to pieces as well, another vital service that relies on immigrant workers.

Personally I'm voting in to protect my accrued pension. They wouldn't last a Tory parliamentary term post exit.

Concerned75

Everything I hear Osbourne talk about is predictions of taking away even more money from us by some fashion or another. I've never heard him mention anything about what kind of life the British public can look forward to if we do stay in. I can only assume, it will continue to be as bad as it now or even worse....

Johnsmith2016

Just for the record - I am not anti immigration, i am not anti anything, I am for common sense ( which isnt too common)
UKIP is also not anti immigration funnily enough. The trouble is we do need immigration it does have its benefits amd helps the economy grow. The trouble is these economists never take anything other than the financial impact into account, like social cohesion and values. Its just not as simple as saying x amount of migrants pay x amount of taxes = x amount to the economy. They totally miss the social side of it for which there is no easy number to quantify it. The problem with migration is not just the volume but the quality, we can make it very hard for a brain suregon from india but easy for a builder from romania with a criminal record, it needs to be done on merit and a needs basis , not just simply because you happen to be in the EU so get a free pass. It needs to be whats in our interest, legally. Not just a open door for anyone .

What is the Australian Points System Of Immigration?

Anyone wanting to move to Australia gets judged on a certain number of criteria.

Alexander Downer, the Australian High Commissioner to the UK and a former Australian Foreign Minister, explains: "We take about 70% of our migrants as skilled migrants. They accumulate points based on their age, occupation - if it's in areas we have shortages, as well as their health, character and security.

"They also have to speak the English language, otherwise they won't be able to integrate into our society properly.

"If you get enough points, you're able to come into Australia."

The australia method just seems common sense to me, yet due to the liberal pc brigade who have had a field day for too long your instantly called a racist or something to that effect for being pro britain.