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If we vote to Remain what happens?
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a very curious argument for staying with a sinking ship
but a true acolyte never admits error
You seem to read more into my comment that was meant as usual.
You have said there are problems in the EU. Do I deny this? No many countries have problems outside the EU too.
Do you deny that our leaving the EU will cause more problems?
Do you think that we will be protected from this instability by leaving?
The Leave campaign has told me that the EU is about to descend into totalitarianism, the Euro will crash, the EU will unravel. I do nor agree but if it were to happen do you claim that our Economy would be damaged too with 40%+ of our exports going there? And that assumes we do not have trade tariffs to contend with!Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
You seem to read more into my comment that was meant as usual.
You have said there are problems in the EU. Do I deny this? No many countries have problems outside the EU too.
Do you deny that our leaving the EU will cause more problems?
Do you think that we will be protected from this instability by leaving?
The Leave campaign has told me that the EU is about to descend into totalitarianism, the Euro will crash, the EU will unravel. I do nor agree but if it were to happen do you claim that our Economy would be damaged too with 40%+ of our exports going there? And that assumes we do not have trade tariffs to contend with!
There are problems everywhere including the EU.
I can't see the future so I don't know the effects of the UK leaving the EU from an EU perspective.
It may be a wake up call for the EU and they will start to address
=their huge youth emplyment probem
=the euro problem
=the Greek /Spanish/Portugese problems
=immigration problem
On the other hand they may simply continue as now and accept the damage to their youth (etc) is part of the price of the political vision of a utopian future.
As I see it, damage is currently being done to our economy due the EU economic policies and of course by immigration.
The sooner we reduce the percentage of trade with a dysfunction 'state' the more healthy things will be.
Whether it will get worse or not I do not know.0 -
The EU will descend into more instability if we leave, being outside will not prevent us being affected by these instabilities, economic, political and social.
One would have thought that the leaders of the EU would wish to avoid such a scenario and therefore have given the UK population a more positive message than sending DC back from his 'negotiation' with his tail between his legs and the sum total of eff all.
Or do these leaders simply not give a stuff about the concerns of their fellow member countries?0 -
The original question of this thread is
"If we vote to remain what happens?"
If we look at all the things blamed on the EU by the leave campaign, if we Brexit these things over time will get better.
MANY More Houses will be built
RENTS will come down
HOUSE prices will come down
LONDON will be less crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will stop coming
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in
EU immigrants will return home
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will come home
Can anyone help with other things to put on the list.
I think it's important to see ALL the things that will change once we Brexit.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
The original question of this thread is
"If we vote to remain what happens?"
If we look at all the things blamed on the EU by the leave campaign, if we Brexit these things over time will get better.
MANY More Houses will be built
RENTS will come down
HOUSE prices will come down
LONDON will be less crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will stop coming
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in
EU immigrants will return home
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will come home
Can anyone help with other things to put on the list.
I think it's important to see ALL the things that will change once we Brexit.
probably the biggest impact is that the EU acolyte who constantly pretends that he is looking to understand both sides of the argument, will become 'come out' as a EU warrior and lead a witch hunt round eurrope; a crusade to kill off anyone outside the true faith.
After the EU descends into civil war and chaos, it will be divided by the resurrent Soviet and Ottoman Empires who will bring peace and eventual prosperity.
Little UK will peacefully trade with the rest of the world and provide some sort of sactuary for the resistance fighters (but in carefully controlled numbers).
Historians will write books on how they always knew the EU was a doomed experiment and will flock to the 'two empires' to ingratiate themselves and seek research funding.
Live will go on ....0 -
The original question of this thread is
"If we vote to remain what happens?"
If we look at all the things blamed on the EU by the leave campaign, if we Brexit these things over time will get better.
MANY More Houses will be built
RENTS will come down
HOUSE prices will come down
LONDON will be less crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will stop coming
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in
EU immigrants will return home
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will come home
Can anyone help with other things to put on the list.
I think it's important to see ALL the things that will change once we Brexit.
Well the first point is that the question is: What happens if we remain? You have posted a list of what happens after Brexit (or claims about it). Maybe you have the wrong thread?
As to your list of Brexit impacts they are claims and I doubt many of them will happen at least in the way portrayed.
So I suggest the answer to the question is
More Houses will be built - we need them (not EU related)
RENTS will continue rising unless we build more houses
HOUSE prices will continue rising unless we build more houses
LONDON will be as crowded
ECONOMIC immigrants will continue to come
HIGHLY skilled immigrants will be let in as they are now
EU immigrants will remain while we have jobs for them to do.
BRITAINS living in other EU country's will continue to do so.
To which we can add:
EU will be more stable
GDP will continue to rise and be higher in the long term
UNSKILLED employment will be easier to fill (care homes, cleaners)
BRITAINS influence in the world will be maintained
ENERGY supplies will be more secure
CO-OPERATION on security/crime issues will be maintained
BRITAIN will be part of the largest single market in the world
BRITAIN will benefit from existing trade deals and those being set up.
BRITONS will be free to work, travel and study in any EU nation.
Of course some of these are also claims!
Housing and rents is a red herring and a London centric view. We need to build more housing, rents are high and house prices higher because of a shortage of houses. This will not change by leaving the EU unless the economy tanks.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
probably the biggest impact is that the EU acolyte who constantly pretends that he is looking to understand both sides of the argument, will become 'come out' as a EU warrior and lead a witch hunt round eurrope; a crusade to kill off anyone outside the true faith.
After the EU descends into civil war and chaos, it will be divided by the resurrent Soviet and Ottoman Empires who will bring peace and eventual prosperity.
Little UK will peacefully trade with the rest of the world and provide some sort of sactuary for the resistance fighters (but in carefully controlled numbers).
Historians will write books on how they always knew the EU was a doomed experiment and will flock to the 'two empires' to ingratiate themselves and seek research funding.
Live will go on ....
Is that a case for Remain?:rotfl:Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
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